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Jenny’s pros and cons of vA detox
I've noticed some things about the cramping, I'll dump them here. First I eat carbs all the time and I still get cramping so there's that. Second, and I'm not the only one who has said this, potato chips seem to be implicated, I'm not sure what it is about them but I'm thinking it isn't just the salt. One of the most important things for preventing cramps at night is for me to keep my feet WARM. I now put on wool socks before bed and not only does it help prevent the cramping, it helps me get to sleep.
@mat I've had muscle cramp in the abdomen, it appears that the abdominal muscles aren't knit together properly. This happened during pregnancy, but I suppose other things could cause abdominal muscles to unknit? I can feel that there is a little space. I've occasionally done exercises that are supposed to knit them back together.
I can't help but suspect that muscle tightening or shrinking might be damage already done and that stretching and rebuilding of areas is needed over time.
My experience seems to be the opposite of yours. Always had trouble with calf cramps. Walking up hill would lead to aches and often cramps in the calf. I always felt like I could get cramp in any muscle in my body if I stretched in the wrong way. i took lots of magnesium drank lots of salt water but the issue only completely resolved on high fat carnivore.
One day i noticed it was completely gone. Just lately ive been getting lazy and eating potatoes and some other carbs. Started getting cramp in the night again. For me it seems to be the carbs causing an electrolyte imbalance
Quote from lil chick on December 19, 2022, 6:30 pmI've noticed some things about the cramping, I'll dump them here. First I eat carbs all the time and I still get cramping so there's that. Second, and I'm not the only one who has said this, potato chips seem to be implicated, I'm not sure what it is about them but I'm thinking it isn't just the salt. One of the most important things for preventing cramps at night is for me to keep my feet WARM. I now put on wool socks before bed and not only does it help prevent the cramping, it helps me get to sleep.
I used to get cramps from potatoes. There's calcitriol in potatoes (nightshades) and that might increase free calcium and reduce magnesium. A tacit link to feeling cold is that magnesium may be involved in regulating temperature. Since I've been eating 4 eggs a day I no longer get the weird cramps from potatoes, cauliflower or cabbage. I suspect the leakiness and strong detox was part of the reason for the cramps. Cadmium in potatoes can also be a problem in theory. Potato crisps having quite a lot potentially. How many eggs a day do you eat now @lil-chick ? Cadium and Vitamin A study originally posted in Vit A Toxicity Facebook group. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0041008X78901333?via%3Dihub&fbclid=IwAR1BetW-QaOEXJQi1hgoptycRlD5FnInoGR3ou0X__k73_xDUQXgECtK7GU
@andrew-b Curious about the potatoes variety that you eat ? I've seen you mentionned "red potatoes" quite a few times, but honestly here in France we have like dozens and dozens of potatoes variety. They all have different name as well !
@mat They look like this. I sometimes get other ones when not available. https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/304792155
Thanks ! Yeah it must be the desiree variant. Why do you eat these specific ones ? Is it for the supposed low ox content of TLO tested red potatoes ? As I think that they have a regular "yellow flesh" (not white)
@mat it might have been lower oxalate content given who recommended it to me. That wasnt the issue for me however. I do find them a bit tastier than the white ones I just got. Tasty potatoes has been a bit of a struggle these days.
When it comes to cramps one thing that hasn't been mentioned is neurotransmitter with acetylcholine being one of them, between many other. what I understand is a good percentage of these are being produced in the gut like serotonin.
I have had some strong cramps here and there, specially at night and one thing that made that go away was the sunflower lecithin.
When you eat carbs and/or fibers you feed certain types of bacteria and depending on what you have in gut already that might produce different effects in neurotransmitters.
For example when I ate lower in carbs but also not too many fibers I experienced the same thing as the beginning of low vitamin a, great mental clarity. There was a threshold for fibers for me and that could be because I might have a SIBO issue underlaying.
Anyways I don't think is a simple as electrolytes but maybe tit also includes the neurotransmitters.
@jiri you had great BM when you were eating those potatoes and in another country. Maybe you were feeding some good bacteria with those? also maybe sunshine? I think I have read before vitamin D plays a huge role on gut microbiome. The more I read about the gut the more I think gut health plays a huge role in many issues and to complicate things everyone has different bacteria, so there isn't a one for all cure I think, I expect healing my gut issues is going to take some experimentation and a slow process.
@orion I'm eating my two daily eggs with good quality extra virgin olive oil from Greece and a tablespoon of balsamic vinegar. The reason is bacteria in your gut can convert choline to TMA and if that happens then you aren't really absorbing much of your choline 🙁 and producing the dreaded TMAO. DMB in some olive oils and balsamic vinegar prevents this from happening according to some research. This combo seems to be working quite well for me so far.
Yes, I've tried supplementing potassium (and calcium, magnesium, salt, together and separately) during periods with and without significant carb consumption (primarily white rice). Nothing seems to change. I'm pretty sure anybody digesting meat properly on a carnivore diet high in protein, like what I'm doing most of the time, is getting more than enough potassium.
The cramps are definitely painful, I feel you there! I've gotten them in so many places...some of the weirder places are beneath my mouth around the throat (brought on by yawning) and in my toes.
I'm glad you were able to get rid of yours with dietary change.
@luisa TMA is only produced by the gut bacteria in response to unabsorbed choline. It could as easily happen in theory with choline in meat and fish too. But it doesnt tend to happen because we absorb most of the choline. The exception being with supplements with high amounts and it may be only specific types of choline like choline bitartrate. 4 large eggs a day or phosphatidylcholine supplements failed to raise TMAO. https://www.incredibleegg.org/articles/choline-eggs-tmao
Choline supplements not eggs re TMAO study. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8410632/