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Jenny’s pros and cons of vA detox

#51 · December 24, 2022, 6:42 pm

Quote from AlexM on December 12, 2022, 8:42 pm

“Since taking the MCP and doing enemas I have the yellow diarrhoea people in here speak about “

I forgot to add when I have the yellow stools they smell like pineapple and this happens at times where I haven’t consumed any fruit or veg.

I did a Google search and found this https://www.healthline.com/health/sweet-smelling-poop which says sweet smelling stools can be a sign of a C dif infection. Which is interesting as an OAT test I did 3 years ago (was very ill back then) showed I had high C dif bacteria and a high HVA/VMA ratio and low VMA both indicating low DBH enzyme activity. Clostridia is one of the bacteria that can inhibit this enzyme and is a very common occurance in autism. I did have aspergers and also extreme neurotransmitter symptoms when I was very ill.

https://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/articles-1/2018/7/23/inhibition-of-dopamine-conversion-to-norepinephrine-by-clostridia-metabolites-appears-to-be-a-the-major-cause-of-autism-schizophrenia-and-other-neuropsychiatric-disorders

So my theory is that this bacteria is getting cleared out of my liver and gallbladder as bile flow is getting normalised. I also think the smell could possibly resemble aldehyde excretion and removal as I read the body starts removing aldehydes when one reduce starches and all sugars in the diet.

As I mentioned before if I have any carotenoids or vitamin c then the yellow stools stop and I start looking very unhealthy and feeling sicker. I definitely don’t think this to do with any antibacterial effect of the Vit C and seems to be because of bile flow getting shut off.

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#52 · December 25, 2022, 4:12 am

Quote from Paola on December 25, 2022, 4:12 am
@jaj

Hi Jenny,

Your post and symptoms (especially the seizures) made me realize that I must have gone through something similar years ago when I didn't know about vitamin A toxicity. It was 2013 and I was going through another mysterious health crises, fatigue being the number one symptom. Looking back, this happened shortly after I started eating some beef liver.

I was treating myself with ozone saunas and saw some improvement, but nothing major. I may have been also eating liver or other vit A foods at the time, I don't remember. But I was generally tolerating the saunas well and felt like they helped me.

But then I started eating winter squash (pumpkin and other bright orange and yellow squashes) in September of 2013 and became intolerant to the ozone saunas. I remember my first reaction to the pumpkins was a positive one (lifted brain fog and elimination of fatigue), which may have been due to the soluble fiber in them or the displacement of old vit A with new vitamin A? I don't know.

In any case, I took it as something positive and continued with the winter squash that I was eating daily at that point. After some time of eating pumpkins I did another ozone sauna and all hell broke loose: I felt like some damage had occurred in my head. I felt a sort of "head instability", found it difficult to stand and do any sort of physical things. After two weeks, it went away.

Then a few months later the same thing happened, but much more severe, once I started chelating with the Andrew Cutler method and started taking ALA, alpha lipoic acid. That's when the sensations of having multiple mini-seizures per minute set in. I became essentially non-functional. It took several months for it to go away. I think eating beef every day multiple times a day helped greatly in the recovery.

For the longest time I thought that it was due to mercury displacement from too high ALA dosages, but now I think that the ALA pushed out the vitamin A or carotenoids from the pumpkins out into the general blood circulation or did something with the vitamin A and that's what caused those mini-seizures. It was a highly uncomfortable feeling, very troubling. The crazy thing about it is that I was in a good mood the whole time. Hell was happening to me and in my head, yet I was experiencing a sort of giddiness. Which is a symptom I read in one paper documenting hypervitaminosis A from supplements: that patient was also experiencing giddiness.

So, I think that ALA and ozone also could be either pushing vitamin A out of the liver storage or doing something to it. In any case, my post-pumpkin experience reminds me of your account. It sounds very similar to what I was going through.

I think it is important to look at that worsening phase that some people experience when doing the low vitamin A diet and why some people go through it while others don't. That's why I suggest that people write exactly what they were eating. I have reason to believe that once vitamin A detox starts one becomes super sensitive to only the smallest amounts of additional Vit A. This would also explain Mikhaila Peterson's experience of turning psychotic after eating just one leaf of lettuce 6 weeks into her first trial of going carnivore. I remember having experienced something similar after a small portion of oats in 2018 after going low vit A (without knowing that I went low vit A). I believe that during that phase there can be a heightened sensibility. So maybe going zero vit A or muscle meat carnivore is the best way to approach this.

Jenny, if there is a post where you detail your diet during the low vit A phase, it would be great if you could link to it. If there isn't, would you mind mentioning exactly what you have been eating on the low vit A diet?

Thank you in advance!

@jaj

Hi Jenny,

Your post and symptoms (especially the seizures) made me realize that I must have gone through something similar years ago when I didn't know about vitamin A toxicity. It was 2013 and I was going through another mysterious health crises, fatigue being the number one symptom. Looking back, this happened shortly after I started eating some beef liver.

I was treating myself with ozone saunas and saw some improvement, but nothing major. I may have been also eating liver or other vit A foods at the time, I don't remember. But I was generally tolerating the saunas well and felt like they helped me.

But then I started eating winter squash (pumpkin and other bright orange and yellow squashes) in September of 2013 and became intolerant to the ozone saunas. I remember my first reaction to the pumpkins was a positive one (lifted brain fog and elimination of fatigue), which may have been due to the soluble fiber in them or the displacement of old vit A with new vitamin A? I don't know.

In any case, I took it as something positive and continued with the winter squash that I was eating daily at that point. After some time of eating pumpkins I did another ozone sauna and all hell broke loose: I felt like some damage had occurred in my head. I felt a sort of "head instability", found it difficult to stand and do any sort of physical things. After two weeks, it went away.

Then a few months later the same thing happened, but much more severe, once I started chelating with the Andrew Cutler method and started taking ALA, alpha lipoic acid. That's when the sensations of having multiple mini-seizures per minute set in. I became essentially non-functional. It took several months for it to go away. I think eating beef every day multiple times a day helped greatly in the recovery.

For the longest time I thought that it was due to mercury displacement from too high ALA dosages, but now I think that the ALA pushed out the vitamin A or carotenoids from the pumpkins out into the general blood circulation or did something with the vitamin A and that's what caused those mini-seizures. It was a highly uncomfortable feeling, very troubling. The crazy thing about it is that I was in a good mood the whole time. Hell was happening to me and in my head, yet I was experiencing a sort of giddiness. Which is a symptom I read in one paper documenting hypervitaminosis A from supplements: that patient was also experiencing giddiness.

So, I think that ALA and ozone also could be either pushing vitamin A out of the liver storage or doing something to it. In any case, my post-pumpkin experience reminds me of your account. It sounds very similar to what I was going through.

I think it is important to look at that worsening phase that some people experience when doing the low vitamin A diet and why some people go through it while others don't. That's why I suggest that people write exactly what they were eating. I have reason to believe that once vitamin A detox starts one becomes super sensitive to only the smallest amounts of additional Vit A. This would also explain Mikhaila Peterson's experience of turning psychotic after eating just one leaf of lettuce 6 weeks into her first trial of going carnivore. I remember having experienced something similar after a small portion of oats in 2018 after going low vit A (without knowing that I went low vit A). I believe that during that phase there can be a heightened sensibility. So maybe going zero vit A or muscle meat carnivore is the best way to approach this.

Jenny, if there is a post where you detail your diet during the low vit A phase, it would be great if you could link to it. If there isn't, would you mind mentioning exactly what you have been eating on the low vit A diet?

Thank you in advance!

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#53 · December 25, 2022, 6:59 pm

@paola you most likely reacted to glyphosate in the oats rather than the Lutein in the oats themselves as the amount of lutein in oats is tiny.

I think when a carotenoid food also contains glyphosate or other pesticides it provokes a much stronger reaction in Vit A toxic people.

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#54 · December 26, 2022, 2:38 pm

@paola thanks for sharing your interesting experiences. I’ve written many comments on here over the last 4 years and I may have detailed my diet (can’t remember) but I don’t have a specific progress thread. I was eating the diet recommended by Garrett Smith - his old programme - which is still on his Network I think. I wasn’t doing the strict Grant Genereux diet. I was eating mostly meat, fish, v low dairy (but included the recommended butter level), no eggs (big mistake I now think), beans (too many gave me headaches), bread, rice, potatoes, oats, white/pale green vegetables, some fruit. I wasn’t zero vA but was much less than RDA. I never became over sensitive to small amounts of vA as far as I’m aware and I never cut it out completely. I did however, over time, become very sensitive to small amounts of lutein. This is still a huge issue for me now. It happened about 2.5 years into the detox. I used to eat lots of lutein foods, such as lentils, celery etc without issue. Now small amounts cause conjunctivitis. Weird and I don’t know why, but other people have described a similar lutein sensitivity and there is a lutein free diet called Sara’s diet with lots of interesting information on lutein. This sensitivity may be connected to my seizures, David H (on Network) suggested lutein issues meant nerve issues. Maybe a marker for some imbalance with my nerves?? Could be connected to my long running (I highly suspect) choline deficiency. I don’t know but I’d really like to understand it as it really limits my diet.

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#55 · December 27, 2022, 12:59 am

@jaj

Thank you for your answer.
From your original post in this thread I understand that the seizures are ongoing, or have they resolved since? What is your diet like now, if you don't mind me asking?

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#56 · December 27, 2022, 4:10 am

Quote from Jenny on December 27, 2022, 4:10 am
@paola

I don’t know whether my seizures are ongoing. I’ve only had two and they were 5 months apart. I really hope not. I thought after the first seizure I’d addressed enough issues to make it a one off but I’d missed out two vital areas - glutamate in food and cholinesterase inhibitors. I’m now on a low glutamate diet and a low nightshade diet (I was eating potatoes). Avoiding MSG and free glutamate is a lot trickier than you might think. Nightshades are the main cholinesterase inhibitor that we eat. I also avoid high lutein foods as they bring on conjunctivitis so I assume are not doing me any good. This makes my diet very limited again which is not the way I want to go at all. I’ve had a lot of help from a vA detox person with long running glutamate sensitivity (interestingly her sensitivity has got worse on the vA detox).

I suspect that my anxiety has always been due to an issue in the glutamate-GABA pathway. I suspect that over production of porphyrins has been an issue for me that has been worsened by the vA detox and also by covid (see Steven Rochlitz work). Porphyrins block GABA receptors and thus cause anxiety. Stress and infection also mess up this pathway, as does B6 and magnesium deficiency. Multiple issues can worsen this pathway. I’d had a lot of stress before first seizure (just moved house) and a high glutamate meal with potato, before second seizure. I think the seizures are a more extreme dysfunction of this pathway (with a trigger - I’m working on this but suspect low blood pressure/hypoxia) which was already working poorly. Seizures are common in people who accumulate porphyrins (Steven Rochlitz). Porphyrin accumulation is common not rare, according to people in the field.

The diet detailed in the above comment was eaten for around 2.5 years (Oct 2018-March 2021). At the end of 2020 I had really concerning liver results (extremely high ALT, high GGT and also doubled triglycerides). Also my fingernails were deteriorating and my anxiety was sky high. However, my vA toxicity symptoms had completely gone. Therefore, I eventually decided (somewhere around March - April 2021) to widen my diet to include more variety and nutrient dense foods, as my nutritional therapy training suggested, rather than the limited selection detailed above. I thought it likely that my major issue was no longer vA toxicity, but was deficiencies induced by the detox or the limited diet. However, I never introduced the high vA foods and my intake for vA was still under the RDA. I did not add in a lot of eggs although I no longer totally excluded them after researching how essential choline is for healthy bile (and listening to various detox experts too). I did not re do the liver tests so I don’t know if widening my diet resolved these but my fingernails and anxiety did not improve, so something was STILL missing from my understanding. This led me to research porphyria. It also led me to take Andrew Baird very seriously when he started talking about choline. I’m a post menopausal women with heterozygous PEMT SNPs, both facts that reduce endogenous production of choline and therefore push reliance onto diet. I was eating less than half the RDA of choline for several years. Really NOT good imo. I now suspect that choline deficiency caused my worrying liver results in 2020. I suspect this has led to below par cell membranes and possibly worsened my susceptibility to seizures as cell membrane health is fundamental.

I don’t know if my current ‘best fit’ conclusions are correct. I’m very open to new information. However, I currently think that the vA detox in ME has corrected many health issues and caused a whole bunch more. I would like to fully understand what has happened so we can use this information to prevent other people suffering. I believe in its present form the vA detox diet (it may depend on particular diet chosen) can be dangerous for SOME people, yet lowering vA is essential. A conundrum.

@paola

I don’t know whether my seizures are ongoing. I’ve only had two and they were 5 months apart. I really hope not. I thought after the first seizure I’d addressed enough issues to make it a one off but I’d missed out two vital areas - glutamate in food and cholinesterase inhibitors. I’m now on a low glutamate diet and a low nightshade diet (I was eating potatoes). Avoiding MSG and free glutamate is a lot trickier than you might think. Nightshades are the main cholinesterase inhibitor that we eat. I also avoid high lutein foods as they bring on conjunctivitis so I assume are not doing me any good. This makes my diet very limited again which is not the way I want to go at all. I’ve had a lot of help from a vA detox person with long running glutamate sensitivity (interestingly her sensitivity has got worse on the vA detox).

I suspect that my anxiety has always been due to an issue in the glutamate-GABA pathway. I suspect that over production of porphyrins has been an issue for me that has been worsened by the vA detox and also by covid (see Steven Rochlitz work). Porphyrins block GABA receptors and thus cause anxiety. Stress and infection also mess up this pathway, as does B6 and magnesium deficiency. Multiple issues can worsen this pathway. I’d had a lot of stress before first seizure (just moved house) and a high glutamate meal with potato, before second seizure. I think the seizures are a more extreme dysfunction of this pathway (with a trigger - I’m working on this but suspect low blood pressure/hypoxia) which was already working poorly. Seizures are common in people who accumulate porphyrins (Steven Rochlitz). Porphyrin accumulation is common not rare, according to people in the field.

The diet detailed in the above comment was eaten for around 2.5 years (Oct 2018-March 2021). At the end of 2020 I had really concerning liver results (extremely high ALT, high GGT and also doubled triglycerides). Also my fingernails were deteriorating and my anxiety was sky high. However, my vA toxicity symptoms had completely gone. Therefore, I eventually decided (somewhere around March - April 2021) to widen my diet to include more variety and nutrient dense foods, as my nutritional therapy training suggested, rather than the limited selection detailed above. I thought it likely that my major issue was no longer vA toxicity, but was deficiencies induced by the detox or the limited diet. However, I never introduced the high vA foods and my intake for vA was still under the RDA. I did not add in a lot of eggs although I no longer totally excluded them after researching how essential choline is for healthy bile (and listening to various detox experts too). I did not re do the liver tests so I don’t know if widening my diet resolved these but my fingernails and anxiety did not improve, so something was STILL missing from my understanding. This led me to research porphyria. It also led me to take Andrew Baird very seriously when he started talking about choline. I’m a post menopausal women with heterozygous PEMT SNPs, both facts that reduce endogenous production of choline and therefore push reliance onto diet. I was eating less than half the RDA of choline for several years. Really NOT good imo. I now suspect that choline deficiency caused my worrying liver results in 2020. I suspect this has led to below par cell membranes and possibly worsened my susceptibility to seizures as cell membrane health is fundamental.

I don’t know if my current ‘best fit’ conclusions are correct. I’m very open to new information. However, I currently think that the vA detox in ME has corrected many health issues and caused a whole bunch more. I would like to fully understand what has happened so we can use this information to prevent other people suffering. I believe in its present form the vA detox diet (it may depend on particular diet chosen) can be dangerous for SOME people, yet lowering vA is essential. A conundrum.

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#57 · December 27, 2022, 4:24 am

@jaj

So anxiety and food sensitivities - are those the only symptoms you are dealing with now? Are you attributing them mainly to the damage done by the vit A detox?

And what exactly are you eating right now? Would you mind listing your current foods?

#58 · December 27, 2022, 4:48 am

@paola current diet is very new and I’m only just putting it together so it does not have relevance for the symptoms I’ve got. I’m putting it together from websites on low glutamate eating. In a few months I will feel happy to detail it but wouldn’t want to mislead anyone before I’ve settled it. I’m using Cronometer to assess nutrients.

I have a seizure risk. This is my MOST worrying symptom. I have never before had anything like this. Why has it happened? This is my burning question. I am prone to anxiety, although I’m using various modalities that are helping this (like Heartmath). I’m sensitive to foods such as lutein and seemingly MSG. I have never been sensitive to foods in my life. I used to eat Marmite by the teaspoon. This is completely new. I also react to supplements whereas I never did before the vA detox. My system has become HYPERsensitive. I don’t see this as minor, the ‘only symptoms’. These symptoms have currently completely ruined my life, as I don’t feel safe.

I’m trying to understand why this has happened to me. I’m trying to understand if the vA detox has caused these issues in me. I have reached no conclusions. If the vA detox is involved then what aspects are an issue and can other people avoid these troubles? It’s all theory. I’m just being honest as it’s the only way to further understand things. I don’t want to diss the vA detox as I really believe that vA toxicity is a HUGE issue and I’ve spent 100s of hours researching/supporting this project. Furthermore, many health issues have resolved by going low vA. However, nor do I want to lie and hide the possible very real harm it may have caused me. No conclusions drawn, just questions asked. We are all in this together, questioning, sharing and supporting each other. No one has fully understood this yet, as Grant freely admits.

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#59 · December 27, 2022, 9:04 am

Quote from Anna on December 27, 2022, 9:04 am

Quote from AlexM on December 12, 2022, 8:42 pm

@jaj Sorry to hear this, my health and life also got completely ruined (worse than I can ever have imagined) since going low Vit A, I do feel misled somewhat, but I only went low Vit A 4 months ago so I'm hopeful I can turn it around (I’ve been making steady progress since September) as I think you can too, even at times like this when things look so bleak, just remember the human body is an amazing thing and given the right tools, conditions and mindset I believe it can heal from almost anything.

I also got the high glutamate symptoms since going low Vit A, and I've found its to do with glyphosate and other pesticides that become a problem since starting a low VA diet, I only found this out when I briefly came off low VA in October, but when you've been regularly consuming glyphosate foods for a long amount of time its hard to recognise that they're causing these issues. Canned foods are also a big issue with heavy metals, I’ve stopped them too and felt a lot better since stopping them.

I've now become hypersensitive to pesticides, aldehydes since October, I've been meaning to explain in a separate post for a while now because there's a big reason why this happened, but I can now tell which food or clothes have glyphosate, or other pesticides or chemicals on them and which don't, just by touching them. The ones that have the chemicals I react to I will get like a strong high glutamate neurological surge brain fog autistic feeling when I touch them. The organic grains, and veg from the UK mostly seem to have pesticides I react too, but the organic food imported from EU countries like France Nertherlands , Finalnd mainly seem to be good and I have no reaction to them. So like you have mentioned it seems that the VA detox has shut down or overburdened some of my CYP enzymes.

Two things I have found to have majorly helped are: daily coffee and water enemas, which I've been doing since september, usually 1 or 2 a day (they sound like a hassle and nonsense but they are an amazing tool for clearing toxicities) , but the game changer has been Pectasol (Modified citrus pectin) with thiamine hcl and enemas, unlike other binders this binds to stuff in the blood which I think is the key difference. As all the other binders have caused me big issues, especially charcoal which depletes Nutrients that you need to detox stuff.

Since taking the MCP and doing enemas I have the yellow diarrhoea people in here speak about and I am now properly clearing out VA + other toxins and it's also made me started excreting long rope worm mucus biofilm pathogen looking things that are the worst thing I have ever smelt. Every time I get rid of more of these worm thingI have extreme mental clarity, regaining past memories, tolerate foods that have disgusted me on low VA and also become less sensitive to chemicals. Whether they old bits of gut lining, pathogens, biofilms, gut mucosa etc, I'm not really concerned but they are something toxic and I feel much better every time I excrete them. If I have any of these things : beta carotene veg/fruit, Vit C sups then I stop getting these yellow stools and they become pale again and they also don't smell bad. Same thing happens if I have these zinc lozenges that contain Vit C then I stop excreting these pathogen looking things, but when I have high copper foods with the MCP and enemas they I start excreting them like crazy. So I'm thinking about trying copper supplements again too. All the other binders Apple pectin, Zeolite, Charcoal, psylium husk,fulvic acid never did any of this.

I’ve been trying out Thorne phosphatidylcholine last two days too, benefits are it has a very strong parasympathetic calming effect, my face and skin look much more youthful and better than before. Eating organic meat and eggs never gave me these kind of effects. But the negatives are it seems to stop the yellow stools (they become pale again), liver and gallbladder pain comes back, face slimmer, more itchy skin, red lines on nails become darker, heart palpitations therefore I think it is stopping the detox and storing VA in the liver. So I think it is helpful for supporting cell membrane health, methylation and clearing fatty liver but unhelpful for detoxing VA. I am going to test it further though so I can give a proper verdict.

Any further discoveries? @alexm I’ve noticed the exact same thing regarding stool color and choline supplements.

Quote from AlexM on December 12, 2022, 8:42 pm

@jaj Sorry to hear this, my health and life also got completely ruined (worse than I can ever have imagined) since going low Vit A, I do feel misled somewhat, but I only went low Vit A 4 months ago so I'm hopeful I can turn it around (I’ve been making steady progress since September) as I think you can too, even at times like this when things look so bleak, just remember the human body is an amazing thing and given the right tools, conditions and mindset I believe it can heal from almost anything.

I also got the high glutamate symptoms since going low Vit A, and I've found its to do with glyphosate and other pesticides that become a problem since starting a low VA diet, I only found this out when I briefly came off low VA in October, but when you've been regularly consuming glyphosate foods for a long amount of time its hard to recognise that they're causing these issues. Canned foods are also a big issue with heavy metals, I’ve stopped them too and felt a lot better since stopping them.

I've now become hypersensitive to pesticides, aldehydes since October, I've been meaning to explain in a separate post for a while now because there's a big reason why this happened, but I can now tell which food or clothes have glyphosate, or other pesticides or chemicals on them and which don't, just by touching them. The ones that have the chemicals I react to I will get like a strong high glutamate neurological surge brain fog autistic feeling when I touch them. The organic grains, and veg from the UK mostly seem to have pesticides I react too, but the organic food imported from EU countries like France Nertherlands , Finalnd mainly seem to be good and I have no reaction to them. So like you have mentioned it seems that the VA detox has shut down or overburdened some of my CYP enzymes.

Two things I have found to have majorly helped are: daily coffee and water enemas, which I've been doing since september, usually 1 or 2 a day (they sound like a hassle and nonsense but they are an amazing tool for clearing toxicities) , but the game changer has been Pectasol (Modified citrus pectin) with thiamine hcl and enemas, unlike other binders this binds to stuff in the blood which I think is the key difference. As all the other binders have caused me big issues, especially charcoal which depletes Nutrients that you need to detox stuff.

Since taking the MCP and doing enemas I have the yellow diarrhoea people in here speak about and I am now properly clearing out VA + other toxins and it's also made me started excreting long rope worm mucus biofilm pathogen looking things that are the worst thing I have ever smelt. Every time I get rid of more of these worm thingI have extreme mental clarity, regaining past memories, tolerate foods that have disgusted me on low VA and also become less sensitive to chemicals. Whether they old bits of gut lining, pathogens, biofilms, gut mucosa etc, I'm not really concerned but they are something toxic and I feel much better every time I excrete them. If I have any of these things : beta carotene veg/fruit, Vit C sups then I stop getting these yellow stools and they become pale again and they also don't smell bad. Same thing happens if I have these zinc lozenges that contain Vit C then I stop excreting these pathogen looking things, but when I have high copper foods with the MCP and enemas they I start excreting them like crazy. So I'm thinking about trying copper supplements again too. All the other binders Apple pectin, Zeolite, Charcoal, psylium husk,fulvic acid never did any of this.

I’ve been trying out Thorne phosphatidylcholine last two days too, benefits are it has a very strong parasympathetic calming effect, my face and skin look much more youthful and better than before. Eating organic meat and eggs never gave me these kind of effects. But the negatives are it seems to stop the yellow stools (they become pale again), liver and gallbladder pain comes back, face slimmer, more itchy skin, red lines on nails become darker, heart palpitations therefore I think it is stopping the detox and storing VA in the liver. So I think it is helpful for supporting cell membrane health, methylation and clearing fatty liver but unhelpful for detoxing VA. I am going to test it further though so I can give a proper verdict.

Any further discoveries? @alexm I’ve noticed the exact same thing regarding stool color and choline supplements.

#60 · December 27, 2022, 9:22 am

Thanks @jessica2. Interesting association. I’d be surprised if I wasn’t low in glutathione.

I tried NAC in 2020 after I got my poor liver test results because raised GGT is supposed to be related to poor glutathione (although Greg Nigh says it could be poor sulphate). I had a very unfortunate reaction - extremely toxic gas!! I don’t normally suffer like this at all and this was unbelievably bad. Totally intolerable after only a few days of supplementation. I wondered if it highlighted a dysbiosis of cysteine using H2S producing bacteria. I wondered if I’d given them a nice little feast! Someone suggested at the time that it could be a detox reaction. Idk.

I think blocked sulphur pathway (transsulphuration) is a major issue. Stopping sulphur foods for more than 2 weeks is a very stupid thing to do, that no experts recommend. It’s used to assess which foods are the issue, not as a solution. We need sulphate.

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