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Quote from Mattia on July 31, 2020, 4:22 am@jiri Thank you for your reply. You seem to have experimented a lot with vitamins and minerals.
For my situation I don't know if supplementing those minerals would be beneficial. My idea is that there is some kind of issue that is constantly depleating minerals. It could be my two activated viral infections, mercury toxicity or an autoimmune problem. The viral infections are also activated my "something".
Maybe I will experiment more with minerals in a couple of months when I will have done more blood test to identify the source cause. Do you have some good quality products to suggest me? Is there a well made mineral complex?
My diet is very rich in protein and animal foods but also in fermented whole grains.
Mercury is depleting selenium. Biounavailable copper will create issues with viruses, bacteria etc.. Swanson has good minerals for example. I really don't understand how you want to fix this kind of deficiency looking at your hair test if you don't want take anything.. Btw if you have amalgams you need to remove them safely first. Then you can take things like selenium. Otherwise you will kill yourself...
@jaj exactly.. By detoxing vit A we are making many things a lot worse. Molybdenum is very important. People with bad health will not get the amount they need from legumes.. Also many people take just zinc. So they deplete their manganese, chromium etc.. If people eat good amount of white rice on vit A detox they will deplete their chromium as well..
I think sometimes copper problems are because of your pipes.
Quote from Jiří on July 31, 2020, 2:58 am@mattia it looks like copper and mercury issues + deficiency of selenium, chromium, manganese, molybdenum and some zinc and you wonder why you have viral issues etc.. It is all mineral/metal related.. Were you following their recommendations at all? Buy good quality chelated selenium, chromium, molybdenum, manganese. You will need also some vit C ( I am mixing acorbic acid with baking soda to make sodium ascorbate..) and B complex maybe you already take that.. If you take only zinc for example you are making your manganese, chromium deficiency worse. You need to take them all together. Take selenium with vit C in the morning. I take it after I wake up, drink 500ml, take 1tsp of psyllium powder with some more water(I don't eat legumes etc.. So I need fiber supplement..) on empty stomach.. After that like 20-30 min latter molybdenum with B vitamins with first meal. Manganese with chromium and zinc you can take together with another meal or you can take zinc with last meal before the bed. I am taking them together and before bed some calcium to calm down the body.. Keep in mind that by taking those minerals you will start detoxing mercury, copper and you will have probably racing mind like crazy, maybe some night sweats, acne etc.. ARL is recommendations big doses that can make things much worse. You need to start low especially with selenium and zinc. You are really low on selenium which is depleted by mercury. You can start with 100-200mcg and go up to 1mg a day.. For chromium it is important to have chelated form not picolinate or GTF. Chromium around 200-400mcg. ARL wants to take a lot more. But chromium can lower blood sugar so it is not optimal.. Just take 200-400mcg with high carb meal. I am takign it with sorghum pancake with some fruit.. I wouldn't take more than 10mg of manganese and 30mg of zinc a day. Molybdenum you can take 200-400mcg capsuls.. With diet eat a lot of protein for amino acids. At least 1,5g per every kg. Also don't eat brown rice with zinc, manganese and chromium. You will reduce absorbtion. I take it only with white rice and meat and be careful with copper intake. You shouldn't eat more than 2mg of copper a day from your diet.. Ideally around 1mg.. I stopped buckwheat. Too much copper. Nuts, seeds, legumes all crazy high in copper... Every time I lower my copper intake to minimum. Something is happening for sure. Like more copper toxicity symptoms. It is the same like when you start with low vit A having symptoms of vit A toxicity.. I would take this minerals at least 3 months and than do retesting... Your chemistry can change a lot during that time.. Do you have blood test for copper and ceruloplasmin?
@Jiri Thank you again for the informations, I will probably try this route and see if I have any improvements.
Why do you take calcium supp if your hair calcium is already so high?
Pure encapsulations has only chromium picollinate, isn't this working?
Quote from tim on July 31, 2020, 4:20 amQuote from Jiří on July 29, 2020, 6:52 am@tim-2 as I showed photo my "dirty lymph" under the skin. I am sure that I have some infection, virus, bacteria issues.. But I don't want deal with doctors. Ask them for tests etc.. They see me as hypochondriac and every time I need to deal with doctors it is crazy stress for me.. I think I need to fix minerals/metals in my body and that will fix immune system and everything.. Most people don't realize how important minerals and metals are. They basically run the show..
I think dealing with doctors is stressful for anyone that is health conscious!
Hmm I'm not into trying to balance metals.
Have you ever looked into frequency medicine for viruses? Hulda Clarke, Rife etc?
Nope, I will look it up. Thanks for the input
@mattia I take something like 300mg of calcium. Why? Because my intake during the day from food is around 200mg. Which is really low.. I don't think that adults need 1 or more grams of calcium every day, but around 500-600mg is probably good intake. Btw like I said just because you have high calcium in the blood or hair doesn't mean you have too much.. When you have low intake of calcium the body will start take calcium from the bones and due to this your blood or hair calcium can be high.. Or as I said when you are toxic in free copper the body uses calcium to calm down the body.. Because copper is strong neurostimulant.. THat's why people with high free copper are going crazy literally.. No chromium picolinate is not good. You need chelated. I take this one https://www.brainmarket.cz/mineraly/swanson-albion-chelated-chromium--chrom-v-chelatove-vazbe-200-mcg--180-kapsli/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwpZT5BRCdARIsAGEX0zllvLOOAtDKkAwtUILcFlb_Z7HiYQog0gvRM0M0CQLmnNw2qgiBaPUaAt_hEALw_wcB
Swanson has also manganese, molybdenum, selenium..
@mattia and like I said balancing minerals, detoxing heavy metals is much complicated and worse than detoxing vit A. Most people feel really bad once things start moving. That is the moment when people realize how minerals and metals are affecting your mental state.. People have crazy ups and downs. Much worse than detoxing vit A.. You need to always remind yourself why it is happening and that it is the part of the process.. So if you think you will "try it" and you don't feel good and just stop after a month or so. Just don't do it at all.. You need to push it at least 3-4 months and do hair retesting.. Of course if you have unbearable issues that you can't sleep at all. You have crazy digestive issues, crazy racing mind, heavy depression with suicidal thought or something etc.. You can always lower the doses of minerals you are taking or drop them completely and just slow down a bit.. Btw also like I said you should't eat more than 2mg of copper a day. Ideally around 1mg.. If you eat legumes, nuts, seeds, grains etc.. You are eating too much. Just 100g of buckwheat has 1mg of copper... You need to have good zinc/copper ration in the diet. Ideally like 20mg:2mg or 20mg:1mg zinc:copper.. You will feel less stimulated. by increasing zinc and dropping copper. But once you start other minerals copper will go up and you will go crazy. Probably.. Like I have free copper like 15 times higher in the blood than top of the ref. range and I can wonder why I have really hard time to keep my mind sane..
This guy talks about copper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVju_mqoy1Q
He is spot on about a lot of things in terms of balancing minerals/metals..
Copper balance is tightly regulated by the body. Differences in intake from legumes and nuts will not create a problem unless the regulation system is broken.
I'm not saying copper isn't a problem for many but this is due to the regulation system not working well or copper not being bioavailable but toxic at the same time.
@tim-2 "Copper balance is tightly regulated by the body. Differences in intake from legumes and nuts will not create a problem unless the regulation system is broken."
Exactly like in my case for example.. I don't know if it's the case also for mattia for sure( he should do blood test for copper and ceruloplasmin..) but in general if you have issues with chronic fatigue, adrenals. You will have issues regulating copper as well and by eating x times more copper than RDA you are not helping anything... It is the same with copper like with vit A. Copper is almost in every food and you will get plenty by eating foods that are low in it. When you start "eating healthy" copper intake will jump through the roof and that is not good for most people. Only for "true fast oxidizers" who have high ceruloplasmin and really are using that copper..
I agree.
Dont you eat quite a bit of buckwheat and potato? My copper intake isn't that high, I only eat whole grains once per day, almond milk doesn't have much, I eat a moderate serving of potato and I have mushrooms and legumes every second day. I probably get more than the average person though.
Liver is so high in it...
Quote from Jiří on August 1, 2020, 5:08 am@tim-2 "Copper balance is tightly regulated by the body. Differences in intake from legumes and nuts will not create a problem unless the regulation system is broken."
Exactly like in my case for example.. I don't know if it's the case also for mattia for sure( he should do blood test for copper and ceruloplasmin..) but in general if you have issues with chronic fatigue, adrenals. You will have issues regulating copper as well and by eating x times more copper than RDA you are not helping anything... It is the same with copper like with vit A. Copper is almost in every food and you will get plenty by eating foods that are low in it. When you start "eating healthy" copper intake will jump through the roof and that is not good for most people. Only for "true fast oxidizers" who have high ceruloplasmin and really are using that copper..
@jiri Do you know why you are copper toxic?
In my case I think that's because growing up I had a very low zinc/red meat diet.
Have you had some improvements since your started taking minerals supplements?
Since you seem to have a lot of knowledge about micronutrient balance, any toughts on the cutler protocol? (using frequent micro doses of ALA to chalate mercury).
Exept from the VA and VC raccomandations it seems like it can work