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Quote from r on April 12, 2020, 6:35 am

I was taking 10000 IU of vitamin A daily ( beta carotene + retinly accetate ) 
1 : https://www.gnc.com/vitamins_supplements/201422.html
and 
2 : https://www.amazon.com/MuscleTech-Advanced-Multivitamin-Vitamins-Minerals/dp/B00IUHNJNA 

and cod liver oil 

 

https://www.gnc.com/fish-oils/011222.html

^ this made things 1000 times worse 
for about 3-4 months , with a diet full of vitamin A . Carrots , sweet potatoes , whole eggs . 

My initially symptoms were terrible , i thought I was going to die 
1 : increased head pressure 
2 : palpitations 
3 : dizziness 
4 : Panic , and 24.7 anxiety ( crippling ) 

5 : Vision changes , blurry vision 
6 : Digestive issues 
7 : Mood changes 

8 : Dry eyes , and extremely blur vision 
9 : Fatigue 

and eventually what followed was head to toe destruction 

hair changes , gut destruction , reaction to a ofloxacin durg which would give me red rashes on skin. Ulcerative colitis , cant tolerate lectins and oxalates anymore , and oh god I can go on and on .

but thank god most of these subsided , some not completely but still they are mild 

 

similar background WAPF diet keto paleo nose to tail 12 years.  unfamiliar with that drug. brought to intolerable crisis 2022: sacroiliitis housebound on walker found my way through micronutrients depleted and practical methods for retinoid and copper removal with help from Garrett Smith and all on nutritiondetective.com.  it is worth getting in on the chat on Tuesday morning livestreams.  (44915) Nutrition Detective - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/@NutritionDetective/streams

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Quote from Jiří on April 12, 2020, 6:42 am

Hm ok so it probably is vit A toxicity.. Yeah so just keep eat easy to digest foods low in vit A, plenty of protein, Make some home made gelatin. I am doing from pig feet. That is great for healing the gut. Don't eat any hard fiber like nuts and seeds. I eat just white rice, potatoes, banana, mushrooms... From supplements I would take just B complex, vit C, vit D like 4000iu with some vit K2. Btw are you sun sensitive? Like you if you can tan or just turn red..? That is also common vit A toxicity symptom.. How long are you on low vit A diet now?

suggestion: experiment for dropping pork any form, vit D supplements, vit C and B complex.  Vitamin D from sun and UVB lamb is helpful. Vit C feels good because it shuts down liver detox. Vit D in capsules is similarly fraudulent as is retinoids (vit A).  Vit E shuts down liver detox too.  

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Quote from r on April 12, 2020, 6:56 am

Thank you ! 

I have been following a low vitamin A diet since 8-9 months , and yeah I cant stress much on how protein really helped me , beef was really helpful . I never tried gelatin , I would like to know more about how it can repair gut health . 

I was doing white rice , beef and chicken only , but recently I got thaimine and folate deficiency from it , now for sometime I have included brown rice and lentils , so far good , but bit of digestive issues , but I think my gut is adjusting to the changes , if not i will probably go back to beef and rice with a small dose of b complex 2-3 times a week 

No , I am not allergic to sun , thats why I don't take vitamin D, I am currently living in bali , so we get enough sun here . I go out everyday to soak for 20-30 mins . 

k2 i never took , think I should give it a try ?

 

have you looked at adding zinc in slowly?  looked at dropping B-complex?  understandingB6toxicity.com is excellent (except for their supplements).  selenium? molybdenum?  magnesium?  potassium?  salt to taste?

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Quote from Rebecca3 on December 23, 2023, 7:55 am

Quote from r on April 12, 2020, 6:35 am

I was taking 10000 IU of vitamin A daily ( beta carotene + retinly accetate ) 
1 : https://www.gnc.com/vitamins_supplements/201422.html
and 
2 : https://www.amazon.com/MuscleTech-Advanced-Multivitamin-Vitamins-Minerals/dp/B00IUHNJNA 

and cod liver oil 

 

https://www.gnc.com/fish-oils/011222.html

^ this made things 1000 times worse 
for about 3-4 months , with a diet full of vitamin A . Carrots , sweet potatoes , whole eggs . 

My initially symptoms were terrible , i thought I was going to die 
1 : increased head pressure 
2 : palpitations 
3 : dizziness 
4 : Panic , and 24.7 anxiety ( crippling ) 

5 : Vision changes , blurry vision 
6 : Digestive issues 
7 : Mood changes 

8 : Dry eyes , and extremely blur vision 
9 : Fatigue 

and eventually what followed was head to toe destruction 

hair changes , gut destruction , reaction to a ofloxacin durg which would give me red rashes on skin. Ulcerative colitis , cant tolerate lectins and oxalates anymore , and oh god I can go on and on .

but thank god most of these subsided , some not completely but still they are mild 

 

My first time commenting. I've been lurking around for a couple of weeks just reading and learning. You are the first person I've seen here who has the head pressure and symptoms like mine. I took Accutane for only 2 months, but I have stopped taking it 44 days ago when these insane symptoms started. 

 

I saw in the progress post that you have made dramatic improvements! This is wonderful to hear. I've just begun this diet (roughly 3 weeks into it). I don't seem to tolerate any vitamin A at all. At this point, I don't think the diet is really optional for me. When i try eating anything with vitamin A (tried an egg the first time in 3 weeks) and it was absolute torture foe my head. I don't know if this is neuroinflammation or what exactly,  but it terrifies me. 

 

When did the head pressure fully go away? Mine is at a minimal, but I believe it's because I'm avoiding vitamin A. But I am nowhere near the same as I was before the Accutane. I am a fit and otherwise healthy 40 year old with no history of headaches or migraines. Until now. 

Emily Anitqua did a great substack summarizing well a while back.  Cannot find the link on substack right now.  Here was the text I could glean from the ether in the meantime.  Emily, Will of Europa, Garrett Smith (@nutridetect) are all on Twitter (at least for now) and outstanding helpful resources.  Look around there are many of us from all walks of diet and life.

Formulating a Low Vitamin A Diet
It's wayyyy easier than you think.

EMILY
SEP 22, 2023
*Disclaimer* - Everything I write is informed solely by my own experience, research, and the experiences of others in the low vA community. It is not meant to be taken as any kind of authoritative rulebook. We are all our own n=1. Additionally, I am writing from a practical perspective only. For in depth science & theory, look into the work of Grant Genereaux and Garrett Smith. This article is only about diet and will not address supplementation or other important lifestyle variables in the detox process.

^^^the face of our enemy ಠ_ಠ

It’s all downhill from here.
If you’re reading this, you’ve already completed the most difficult piece of your detox journey: learning that “vitamin” A is a poison, and that we’ve all been lied to.

If you’re not up to date, please read Poisoning for Profits by Grant Genereux for a comprehensive overview of what vitamin A actually does to the human body, and the series of missteps that led to it being classified as a vitamin in the first place.

So now what? The logical next step is to stop eating it! But it’s a little more complex than that. After all, a diet comprised of pure white sugar and vegetable oil is totally vA free!

The overall goal here is to minimize the poisons in your diet (not just vA!), and provide your body with the exact tools it needs to detox, regenerate tissue, and heal. What you’re going to be adding to your diet is just as important as the poisons you’re removing.

Don’t worry, you’ve already done the hardest part if you’re willing to make a change. From here it’s just experimenting until you find a variation on this way of eating that works for you and can be sustained long-term.

A note before we begin
An objection that I and others had early on: “Why can’t I just eat with moderation? Why can other people eat a ‘normal’ diet and be fine? Can’t I just eat what they eat and heal?” The sad answer is that we are no longer “normal people”. We aren’t our friends, we aren’t our parents, and we sure aren’t people who lived in the clean environments of antiquity. Unlike those who have never reached their toxicity tipping point, it is not possible for us to achieve a healthy state without addressing the root cause.

Somewhere along the line, for whatever reason, our livers were saturated with vitamin A and other toxins, rendering us poisoned. The only way to heal is to REMOVE THE POISON. And then, hopefully, we will get back to the point where we can eat like normies again, if only once in a while. But today is not that day. First, we need to address the source of our own toxicity, rip it out, and use dietary strategies to lay out the framework for recovery.

Part one: remove the poison.
Before worrying about making any dramatic changes in your diet, you’re going to want to start to phase out the harmful foods you’ve been eating. Since many of us with hypervitaminosis A come from a background of trying to eat “healthy”, chances are that you’ve already minimized the obvious ones like fast food and soda. The main food groups to learn to avoid are:

Foods high in vitamin A and carotenoids (for our purposes we can just call it vA). Basically any brightly colored plants, dairy, eggs, organ meats, pork. See list below.

Processed junk foods. Use common sense here. You don’t want to be eating fatty foods or super processed snacks. Nothing out of a vending machine except water.

Concentrated sources of fructose, like sweetened drinks and candy. If you’re a recovering Peatard, just know that many of us have been there, done that with sugar, and it is NOT HEALTHY. It shuts off your liver’s detox functions because the liver has to drop everything to process the fructose. You shouldn’t be consuming more sugar than what’s in low vA fruits like apples and bananas, or a tablespoon of sugar at MOST in your coffee or tea (which should also be avoided but some of us like to enjoy life).

Alcohol. No amount of alcohol is beneficial, or even safe for we with compromised livers.

Use this chart from Will (@willofeuropa) to understand the basics. Foods in the red are no gos. Foods in the yellow are probably best avoided until you’re further along in your detox and can see how they affect you.

Part two: add in foods that will help you heal.
Okay, so now that you’ve taken the poisons out, you need to fill in your diet with the best, most nutritious foods that will give your body what it needs to rebuild and recover. The term “nutritious” usually brings to mind so-called superfoods like kale or sweet potatoes, which actually contain more toxins (vA) than anything truly beneficial. The “superfood” is a distinctly latter-20th century phenomenon with dubious origins, and we don’t want or need such novel items in our diet.

From the dawn of humanity, people have thrived on very simple diets mostly comprised of lean meat and starchy carbohydrates. This is a low-toxin, low-vA way of eating that provides ample energy and nutrients without burdening the body with anything it DOESN’T need. It is on this time-tested basis that we will build our diet.

Carbohydrates
Choose your staple carbs. You want this to be a clean source of glucose, not sweet carbs like fruit or sugar. The human body is designed to run on glucose, so that’s what we’re gonna give it. My favorite carbs are:

White jasmine rice (grown in Thailand or India to avoid arsenic)

Organic white wheat, made into sourdough bread

Oats (fiber yay)

Barley (also super high in fiber <3)

Rice noodles (great for if you didn’t have time to soak rice beforehand)

Most detoxers center their diets around these core carbs. It’s vitally important to have enough glucose in your diet to fuel your detox process, and to give your body the energy it needs to carry out all its other functions. If you’re already toxic, your body is working extra hard to keep everything going, so don’t be afraid to eat as much of these clean carbs as you have an appetite for. You will not gain a ton of weight.

Absent from the list are traditional durum wheat pasta and white potatoes. Tragically for the Italians in our community, pasta isn’t a staple because of its high carotenoid content. That amber, yellow-ish color isn’t for no reason! White potatoes are an inflammatory nightshade and most people don’t seem to do as well on them, but experimentation is encouraged. They might work okay for you, once or twice a week.

Animal Protein
Next we’re gonna choose our meat. This part is probably the most straightforward. All muscle meat except pork is fair game, but you want to keep it lower fat. Beef, turkey, and chicken seem to be the most popular for vA detoxers, with some others opting for bison. White fish like cod is okay, but probably no more than twice a week, because fish are notoriously good at concentrating the toxicity of the water in which they live into their bodies.

Go for lean beef, turkey, or chicken

Avoid all pork (high vA and inflammatory fatty acid profile)

Avoid all seafood except occasional white fish

Avoid fatty meats. Trim off visible fat and drain ground meats after cooking.

NO ORGAN MEATS!!! (heart is not an organ, it’s a muscle.)

No eggs. The yolks are high in vA. Egg whites can be used sparingly if you really want them.

Don’t underestimate the importance of protein. Without protein, our livers can’t synthesize retinol binding protein, so detox would be impossible. At least 80 grams of protein is recommended per day, with some people needing more based on body size or activity level. Personally, as a 5’10 female of European descent, I feel best on a pound (raw weight) of beef a day. It takes experimentation to figure out what makes you feel good.

Fiber
Now for the tricky part. Fiber plays a major role in detox by binding to the toxic bile excreted by the liver, allowing it to leave the body. In an absence of fiber (think the standard American diet or keto/carnivore diets), bile is being secreted and then reabsorbed in the intestine to be recycled back in the liver. This process is called enterohepatic recirculation, and it is our goal to use fiber to prevent as much toxic bile as possible from being reabsorbed. Interrupting enterohepatic recirculation with soluble fiber removes toxins from the body, and forces the liver to synthesize new, fresh bile acids instead of recycling the same ones over and over.

Although no diet is complete without fiber, there’s a level of nuance to introducing fiber into your diet. If it’s overdone, it can “push” the liver a little too hard to synthesize bile, causing a temporary flare in symptoms. But the alternative, not having enough fiber, will slow detox to a crawl. Although it’s a bit of a tightrope walk, you just have to keep experimenting and moving forward. If you stop moving forward, you’ll fall!

I recommend beginning to introduce fiber in the form of whole foods such as beans, barley or oats. These can be added to your starch + protein meals in small amounts, gradually working up as you test your tolerance.

Beans are an amazing source of starch and soluble fiber! Soak overnight and pressure cook in fresh water to remove lectins that might cause inflammation. Organic canned beans are also an option.

Oats and barley are rich in beta glucan, a specific type of fiber that powerfully binds to bile.

The other option is a fiber supplement, like psyllium husk powder or Will’s Fibermaxx. While this can be a great tool, I don’t neccessarily recommend it for people just starting out, because it adds yet another variable to worry about. For now, focus on foods. Try these after you’ve settled on a sustainable diet.

The great thing about these whole food sources of fiber is that they’re also a source of glucose. A two for one! And beans have some protein, that’s checking three boxes! Almost like God designed them that way? Hmm…

Eventually you want to incorporate enough fiber that you’re achieving at least one large, well-formed bowel movement a day. There is no recommended specific gram amount of fiber, because it’s different for everyone, and it’s tedious to measure. Just go by how you feel. If it makes you feel awful, stop eating it, or eat less of it.

Salt
Salt your food to taste! I like a lot of salt and I have zero issues when I eat as much salt as I want, so long as I get enough potassium. Your tastebuds will tell you how much salt you need. Ever wonder why we like salt so much? It’s because without it, we wouldn’t be able to create stomach acid or bile salts to digest our food. Salt is an important electrolyte and it shouldn’t be feared or restricted.

Fruit & Fat
The liver detox dietary strategy minimizes both fructose and fat content, standing in stark constrast to fad diets like carnivore or veganism, which tend to demonize one and put the other on a pedastal. We recognize that both are harmful in large amounts, and prevent the liver from doing its job. This means we don’t emphasize sweet fruits or fat sources in our diet. However, that’s not to say that these are totally off the table. Rather, they serve as more of a garnish than a staple.

Fruit can still play a part in your diet if you really love it. Just use it to add flavor to your meals instead of eating it in large amounts. The best way to do this is probably to add it to your oatmeal for breakfast, or enjoy it with some beef jerky as a post-workout snack. The best low-A fruits to focus on are:

Apples (great pectin content for detox)

Bananas (high in potassium)

Low-A berries, particularly strawberries

Other than that, though, most fruits contain a lot of vA, phytochemicals, and fructose that burden the liver. If fruit is a big part of your diet now, work on replacing it with clean glucose sources like oats or sourdough bread combined with protein and fiber for satiation.

Fat is also tricky. It is a double edged sword for detox - like fiber - in that it can help to stimulate bile. However, opposite of fiber, it actually increases bile reabsorption and escorts toxins back to the liver & adipose tissue. Not what we want, although it can give very short-term relief as it helps take toxins out of the blood.

Most overt fat sources contain high amounts of vA. Dairy fat is very high in vA, along with pork fat and fish oil (the thought of which I still gag at). Even beef, chicken, and turkey fat contain some. That’s where the vaguely yellowish color comes from.

The goal, then, it to keep fat content very low (around 10% of your diet by calories). This maximizes bile throughput and excretion, while leaving carbs to provide most of the dietary fuel, which boosts metabolism and hepatic function. Drain your ground meat and choose leaner cuts. A little residual fat is okay, but minimize overt fat.

A noteable exception to this guideline is the rare “under type”. This group, as categorized by Dr. Garrett Smith, is only about 5% of the population, and is genetically disposed against endogenous fat production. They tend to be very thin and lose weight easily without adding some fat to their diets. If this is you, eat as much fat as you need to in order to feel okay. Just try to get it from low-A sources like pure olive oil or white beef fat.

It is common to experience fat cravings when first starting out. This is because the toxicity in your blood is so high that your body wants fat to sequester it into adipose tissue and the liver. As much as possible, try to stick to carbs, protein, and fiber.

“But what about vegetables!!1!”
A hard pill to swallow for some is that the notion of vegetables being supremely healthy is a product of social conditioning and industry lies. All you need to know about veggies is that they aren’t giving your body anything necessary that it can’t get from a balanced diet with enough carbs, protein, and fiber. The most popular vegetables in the world, like broccoli and carrots, contain vastly more vA and liver-burdening compounds than any fiber or minerals they might provide. Vegetables are not a nutritional pillar in this dietary strategy, and are thus relegated to a supporting role alongside fruit. Make sure any vegetables you do consume are low-A and white of flesh. Some good ones are:

Peeled zucchini and cucumber

White radish

White carrots

White onions

Celery

Part three: putting it together
To sum it up, we are creating a diet based on starch, protein, and fiber, each of which supports your liver’s ability to do its job without making you feel like crap. Each of these three dietary pillars can be adjusted to suit any individual’s needs, based on factors like personal taste, health status and food tolerance, budget, time & resources to prepare one’s own food, or “normie” family members who share in cooking responsibilities.

I’ll use myself as an example. I have the luxury of living alone in a flat with a kitchen, where I only have to cook for myself. I base my diet primarily around beef and rice/barley, with pinto beans. I am lucky to have enough time to spend making food every day so I cook my grains fresh in the morning, but everything else I make in big batches ahead of time and store in the fridge. Since I am satisfied with the food I’m eating, I don’t worry about including low-A fruits or vegetables besides apples with my oatmeal on occasion.

Many other people are much more busy and can’t commit to cooking every day. For them, it makes more sense to batch-prep a ton of food for the week. One detox network member preps 8 cups of rice, 8 cups of barley, and 12 pounds of lean ground turkey for his week. On top of this, he eats turkey sandwiches for breakfast & pre-workout snacks.

Some people also have to cook for their families, while maintaining their own seperate detox diet. It’s possible to maintain this if you prepare a seperate starch and protein source for family meals, with “non-detox” foods on the side for family members who are still eating them. However, most mothers & patriarchs who embark on this journey end up implementing these dietary strategies for the health of their entire family.

The worst-case scenario is if you travel for work or otherwise live a lifestyle that requires you to eat at restaurants regularly. The best way to circumvent this obstacle is by dining at steakhouses or Asian restaurants where you can usually get plain meat with a clean carb source on the side. I literally take my rice cooker with me when I travel, and just get a plain steak or meat dish to go. It’s possible, but not ideal.

Helpful tools
There’s a few kitchen tools that will make it SO much easier for you to prep your food with minimal time investment and clean up.

Some type of instant pot/multicooker with pressure cooking functionality. This is gonna save your life if you plan on cooking beans or grains. Not only can it pressure cook, it also acts as a slow cooker, or just a regular pot for sautèing meat or boiling water. Investing $40-$100 in one of these will make your kitchen more efficient for years to come. I got mine basically new for $25 off Craigslist from an Indian lady who couldn’t figure out how to use it, lol.

If you are cooking for just yourself, a small stainless steel lined rice cooker.

I bought one of these before I even started the detox, not knowing that I would use it literally every day. Like the instant pot, the inner stainless steel pot can be used for washing, soaking, and cooking your grain of choice. I use mine for oats, rice, and barley, but it can cook any grain. I like to cook my grains fresh in my rice cooker every morning, and when that’s almost done, I pull out my prepped batches of beans & meat from the fridge and add those on top to heat up. By the time my rice (or barley, or whatever) is done, all the ingredients are heated up and ready to eat, without needing to microwave or heat on the stovetop. PLUS, certain models have steam trays so you can steam meat or low-A vegetables while your grains are cooking.

Glass pyrex containers with snap seal lids. These are the absolute best for storing food. They never ever leak, and, well, they’re not plastic. They’re available in a variety of sizes for whatever amount of food you’re storing. Can’t recommend enough.

That’s it!
Pretty simple, right? If you can get this foundation right, you’ll be making leaps and bounds in your recovery before you know it. You’ll be making vA retreat back to the hell whence it came! Along with correct supplementation, sleep, and exercise, these strategies are going to help you change your own life for the better.

If you have any questions, contact me on twitter @mishf1sh or on telegram @antiqueem, or feel free to comment below. Stay tuned for my next post which is gonna be a ridiculously easy guide to making your own sourdough 😉

Love,

Em <3

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Quote from r on December 23, 2023, 8:18 am

@rebecca3

Not to discourage you , but buckle up for a long marathon of up and down until you start feeling better . Vitamin A detox affects everyone else in its own way , this is what I learn since past 6 years of dealing with it .

Initial phase is hard symptoms might be slow at first but slowly they will get worse or might even get better . 

Regarding the head pressure , for me it went after after 6 months , but dont stress out it will be the first one to go away .

watch out for gastrointestinal issues that can result from dumping of lot of bile . It can give you UC / Chrons or IBS .  I got UC 1 year after toxicity . Thats the only colateral damage left on my body , rest I am symptom free , I dont have any symptoms left that I mentioned above . UC is never a symptom rather a damage . I am again going on a strict diet for a year to reverse the mucosal damage done by Vitamin A on intestines . I have no reason to believe the "Faulty Immunue system " hypothesis . I am living example of what cause UC . 

Anyways , for the first year I would suggest go almost 0 vitamin A, but very less fiber ( i dont want you to have the same gut damage I did ) . even Lori from https://www.treasuredtips.com/how-i-got-vitamin-a-toxicity/ mentions after completely recovering from vitamin A toxicity , IBS is her only lingering damage ( not symptom ) .

Dont eat beans , seeds or any gut irritant foods .  Stay on a low vitamin A diet for at least a year ( I would even suggest an almost carnivore diet ( no eggs or cheese or milk ) . 

Dont worry eventually it gets better , but its not a sprint a marathon 

 

Any use of magnesium oxide and activated charcoal?

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Quote from Rebecca3 on December 23, 2023, 9:21 am

Thank you for your reply/direction. Holy cow, I've been eating a lot of beans I'm also low in iron, so I've been eating lots of beans. My RBC, hematocrit, and hemoglobin levels are all lower than normal, and they dropped a little further within a 3 week span (I've been to the doctor a lot since this happened). I will try to limit my intake on beans then. I've been limiting my intake on nuts too. 

I've had some serious IBS problems in my early 30s, but after some lifestyle changes, they miraculously seemed to clear up (to be fair, I'm not even entirely sure why it really cleared up). Having some flare ups recently, but it's been the least of my concerns... I'll pay closer attention to my gut/digestion. Thank you for that tip! 

 

I've been eating A LOT of ground beef that I brown in the skillet, usually with garlic and red onions, potatoes (no skin), rice, mushrooms, and flour tortillas. Oh, and I've been putting ground flax seed on a lot of my meals. Not gonna lie, I've had cake and cupcakes (not every day) and muffins, I handle these well for what it's worth. I don't know if sweets hinder the detox process, but i am willing to cut them out too if I need to. I do have discipline, but if something isn't hurting me, I'm not gonna stop it lol

I'm really sorry to hear about your UC, but maybe in the future, much of that damage can be reversed! I am so relieved to hear the rest of your symptoms got better! This is so promising because I like to stay active, and I have felt like a complete invalid. It brings me hope that I can ride my motorcycle again one day lol I laugh, but I love riding. This has just been emotionally devastating as well as a physical nightmare! 

 

Thanks again for taking the time to reply to me! I'll be lingering around for a while..! 

 

Sulfur in onions and garlic can be a problem.  Smart on removing skins on potatoes.  Most of the oxylates are in skin.  Many examples of wrecked bodies improving like Grant.  Grant's diet does seem boring.  It is seriously effective though.  Sunfiber can help same way flax seeds do too.  Can you eat apples?  Pectin is a friend.  Ride that bike.  And walk too.  

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Quote from Rebecca3 on December 23, 2023, 12:19 pm

@janelle525 thank you for that suggestion! I have never even heard of this until now. I have had some constipation issues, so this may be a good option for me. I go to the restroom pretty well as long as I'm eating lots of fiber, but eating nothing but beef and potatoes and rice ain't gonna cut it for me lol

 

1. @r-2 i will take that into consideration.... I've been keeping a food diary, but I try to eat such a variety of foods, it would be hard for me to pinpoint what would aggravate me. I KNOW that egg did it for me Thursday night. I'm just not ready for that yet.  So you think maybe I should cool it with the ground flax seed? I usually eat 1-2 teaspoons a day. I'm just worried about getting other deficiencies. Now I'm scared to take supplements because I don't know what I need, and i don't want to overdo it on something else. 

magnesium oxide was a big help for me.  that and prunes.  

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Quote from Rebecca3 on December 23, 2023, 12:19 pm

@janelle525 thank you for that suggestion! I have never even heard of this until now. I have had some constipation issues, so this may be a good option for me. I go to the restroom pretty well as long as I'm eating lots of fiber, but eating nothing but beef and potatoes and rice ain't gonna cut it for me lol

 

1. @r-2 i will take that into consideration.... I've been keeping a food diary, but I try to eat such a variety of foods, it would be hard for me to pinpoint what would aggravate me. I KNOW that egg did it for me Thursday night. I'm just not ready for that yet.  So you think maybe I should cool it with the ground flax seed? I usually eat 1-2 teaspoons a day. I'm just worried about getting other deficiencies. Now I'm scared to take supplements because I don't know what I need, and i don't want to overdo it on something else. 

yes I would. Definitely stay away from gut irritants during first 2-3 years of dumping . Seeds is a total no no for me . The best diet is the diet you feel good with when your health is a total mess . Boiled meat is the best food for humans . I am not proposing a carnivore diet here.  But I believe it is least damaging to humans specially to gut .

 

Rregarding supplements the one that really helped me was Zinc  . Zinc Sulphate take 50 mg and see how you feel next morning , if you feel good , keep taking it   and once the effect wears off stop it and keep the store high with red meat . 

Tourine -- didnt feel anything with it 
Bvitamins --- Dont think you need. only if you are deficient 
calcium -- NO 
Vitamin C -- no. harm taking
 

 

zinc picolinate over sulfate?  magnesium oxide?  thiamine? nicotinic acid?

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Quote from lil chick on December 24, 2023, 7:14 am

I would say from reading here that beans are magic for some here and not for others.   I'm not a person who "needs" fiber, but have quite an addiction to peanuts that I can't really explain in any other way except my body really WANTS THEM.

I had the head pressure and I agree with r about how it does go away "pretty early" on.    (unlike skin issues, for instance, which are kind of slow!  or gums!).  I think I had my last episode of really bad headache about 1 year in.    It's like a miracle because I had been making my life smaller due to intense headaches (and also vomiting episodes which also went away).    I still occasionally feel minor head pressure, like a small hangover, and I think it is when I "stir things up" because even if you've been at this a long time there will be still be VA lurking deep in your tissues and very slowly coming out.   (I'm at 3.75 years of medium-low).

In my mind slowly is how you want things to come out.   I'm fine with medium low, and I'm happy with my slow progress, but again, everyone is different.   

It appears that molybdenum is a nutrient that I might run down in detox and legumes also help with that, so I wonder if that is one of the reasons legumes are popular here.

thoughts on charcoal?  when peanuts are not available what do you eat instead?