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Low vitamin D after over half year on diet
Hi Ronnie,
Thanks for your comments and question. I think I know the blog post conversation you’re referring to. I wasn’t arguing with him (Ray?) about increasing D to detox. Rather, I was refuting his claim that a vit D deficiency was probably the root cause of my health conditions in the first place.
As I’ve stated before, I don’t know a lot about vit D. I’m not advocating against it, nor for it. I’m also trying to be very careful in not telling, or even suggesting to other people what to do. I am only trying to share what I did, and the reasons for it. The fact that I don’t supplement with vitamin D is just my own personal decision, and should not be interpreted as an anti-vitamin D message. As always, people need to be careful, and apply their own good judgement in making decisions that are best for them.
Even though there is good evidence that vit D is antagonistic to vitamin A, like with so many interventions, you can get too much of it too. So, I was just not personally wanting to take the risk. But, please don’t let my personal preference sway your decision to experiment with it.
Grant
Thanks a lot for the clarification Grant and yes that was the post I was referring to. I completely understand your stance.
Have you re-tested your vitamin D level recently just out of curiosity?
Yes, coincidentally, I just had the samples taken this morning. I should get the lab results in the next few business days. I'll share them as soon as I get them.
Grant
Quote from lil chick on July 24, 2019, 3:17 pmwhy? When researching my ancestral diets, I found it got my ancestors here to this point, through challenging conditions. You can't argue with success!
They used to feed pigs better, lard used to have a much better fat composition. These days it can be around 30% PUFA.
I think this pretty much sums up why I don't feel safe supplementing Vitamin D.
"Cholecalciferol, or activated vitamin D3, causes a life-threateningly high calcium and phosphorus level in the body, resulting in severe, acute kidney failure. This can progress to chronic kidney failure and have long-term repercussions. Common signs of poisoning may not be evident for 1-2 days, when the poison has already resulted in significant -and potentially permanent – damage to the body. Increased thirst and urination, weakness, lethargy, a decreased appetite, and halitosis (“uremic” breath) may be seen. Acute kidney failure develops 2-3 days after ingestion of this type of mouse and rat poison"
https://www.purdue.edu/vet/addl/news/rodenticide-revolution.php
https://www.msdvetmanual.com/toxicology/rodenticide-poisoning/cholecalciferol
https://www.drugs.com/answers/cholecalciferol-is-main-ingredient-in-rat-poison-336757.html
before you say the dose makes the poison, lets see if there are other beneficial/essentials/healthy substances for humans that are used to kill other animals ? I cant think of any at this time but would be interesting and help support the idea that a "poison" for animals is beneficial for humans.
Quote from jobo on July 26, 2019, 2:17 amI think this pretty much sums up why I don't feel safe supplementing Vitamin D.
"Cholecalciferol, or activated vitamin D3, causes a life-threateningly high calcium and phosphorus level in the body, resulting in severe, acute kidney failure. This can progress to chronic kidney failure and have long-term repercussions. Common signs of poisoning may not be evident for 1-2 days, when the poison has already resulted in significant -and potentially permanent – damage to the body. Increased thirst and urination, weakness, lethargy, a decreased appetite, and halitosis (“uremic” breath) may be seen. Acute kidney failure develops 2-3 days after ingestion of this type of mouse and rat poison"
https://www.purdue.edu/vet/addl/news/rodenticide-revolution.php
https://www.msdvetmanual.com/toxicology/rodenticide-poisoning/cholecalciferol
https://www.drugs.com/answers/cholecalciferol-is-main-ingredient-in-rat-poison-336757.html
before you say the dose makes the poison, lets see if there are other beneficial/essentials/healthy substances for humans that are used to kill other animals ? I cant think of any at this time but would be interesting and help support the idea that a "poison" for animals is beneficial for humans.
heh, makes me think of how they also push flouride on people
What do the anti-D people think about the effects of D gotten through the skin via sunlight? My cats sure do love to sit in the sun,. My chickens love nothing better than to dig a dirt hole in the sun and lie in it. Sun feels good, right?
I think European people have always bathed outdoors in rivers and ponds and the ocean for fun and refreshment. My Grandmother was given the rule to bathe in the ocean at least 3 times per year. Bathing suits were invented in the last 100 years, before that, much of it would have been done naked or partially naked. People were less modest.
Most Northern Europeans would have gotten some sunlight at least on hands and face gardening etc. Country children (maybe not city latch-key kids) for sure would have been playing outside all day. I think sunlight was always part of a healthy lifestyle. I think it was known that sick people who stayed indoors all the time got to be like the character "Gollum".
Tim mentioned how Europeans (possibly) evolved lighter skin-color to enable more D to be made quicker. It doesn't seem wrong, but I've often thought there was probably more to the story. Carotenes sure do stand out on my skin looking wrong, and irritate it.
Tropical people developed darker skin to protect them from the sun/bugs etc... but does darker skin also use up carotenes from tropical vegetable matter?
Tim mentions how Asiatic people who live in polar regions have slightly darker skin than Northern Europeans, and I suppose these two people have different diets. (Sea-going hunter-gatherers vs agriculturalists). I suppose the Arctic people get much more A and D from their diet, in fact, sometimes too much (pibloktoq?) while the agriculturalists are eating grains/meat/northern veg. Anyone who has been sunburned skiing also knows that ice can magnify the effects of sunlight which might make brown eyes and non-pale skin better for survival on ice.
So, like many things I would say the D answer is different for each of us, look to your ancestors and do what they did. If you are Artic-Asiatic, it really could be that fish and fish livers might be the way to go for you in winter! If you are Tropical but living in Canada, you might really need to join a tanning salon?
If you are Northern European, living in Canada, my guess is that you should put some effort into getting your summer sunlight stored up properly. Eat a Northern European diet (which did include some D from lard especially--perhaps a lowish-A person could do one pastured egg yolk per day?) I think there might be symptoms such as SAD that will tell you that you need more D. Your loved ones might be the best judge of whether you have slipped into SAD.
Bright, natural light in your face in the morning is a good idea in winter (to combat SAD). It almost makes you wonder if there is something about the lighter eyes that helps...And I've heard that when trying to absorb D you shouldn't wear sunglasses. (My eyes are pretty sun sensitive still, I cover them up a lot) Not everything is known, we are complex.
I would not even be surprised if the Northern European body has become accustomed to running down the stores of D, (purging if you will) leaving a clean slate with less of a burden of fat soluble vities come spring. Leaving them ready to gorge on eggs come Easter?
edited to add: you must protect your eyes in a tanning bed
I was just thinking how it might make sense to live at the latitude of your ancestors.
That, however, made me think of how some of the sick people I know have moved south, and seemed to benefit. So, perhaps very sick people might think about going more southward. It seems like I've seen maps of MS sufferers and that the disease is more prevalent northward.
I think that people knew this (that sunshine could help with some diseases) at least for several generations, if not longer.
Did you ever visit Coral Castle in Fla? It was built by a European immigrant with TB, and I pretty sure he went there for the sunshine.
Thanks Grant. It's great that you are within range without taking a supplement.