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Myth: Serum Retinol is not a useful measurement of subclinical VA toxicity
Quote from tim on February 27, 2021, 12:54 amHave you seen any change in your rosacea with low vA? Did anything you are aware of trigger your rosacea or did it just appear?
I think I have seen some improvement on low vA, however nothing groundbreaking, also it is able to return full force in a matter of days. So for me it looks more like it's avoiding some foods like gluten, or cheese that helps. I don't reject the idea it's lower vA that helps though.
Well it was diagnosed as such before taking accutane, however I could tan, healed quickly from sunburns. After accutane it gradually became worse, with some sort of kick-off around 3 years after. Two things I suspect responsible for that kick-off: quite extensive dental work and trying saw palmetto for hairloss.
I know you weren't asking me, @tim-2, if I've seen my rosacea get better, but I'm going to answer anyways, LOL.
I totally get what @grapes is saying about how variable it is. In my opinion, it isn't just about the skin, but also the capillaries.
My face might still look to others as though my VA experiment hasn't worked, but my face definitely feels different. In my opinion, there is a lot less swelling and the rosacea areas feel like less is going on. My nose has narrowed (bulbous nose being a symptom of longterm rosacea). Here or there, there is still some swelling below the surface, and that is where there will still be small papules (these are not the same as pimples, they are not deep). The whole area will still blanch red with wine, which I think shows the capillaries have a ways to go yet. The skin just feels more like skin should feel.
The unaffected regions of my face have become whiter, and that makes the rosacea places stand out more. One funny thing that I've noticed is that there are 3 rosacea zones and they take turns looking good.
@rockarolla's ideas about coffee and staph aureas has me trying an experiment on putting a micro tiny dab of basic OTC anti-bacterial ointment on pustules. Docs do give antibiotics for rosacea, and so there may be an aspect of latent infection.
I posted a pic on my log that shows my current face. Bottom line is I feel like lowered VA is doing something and nothing else has. But it is very slow.
Quote from lil chick on February 27, 2021, 9:49 amDocs do give antibiotics for rosacea, and so there may be an aspect of latent infection.
Not necessarily, (some) antibiotics have an anti-inflammatory action. Specifically for rosacea antibiotics are prescribed for that. But yes, some pathogen involvement is suspected, like Chlamydia pneumoniae, I think that's possible. What puzzles me is that relatively very few people across the globe get vascular symptoms. There must be some "perfect storm" of different variables which in sum produce this condition, vA as I think being one of them.
This forum really is dead. 😀 So many years later and nobody is posting new blood tests of serum retinol how it looks after years of low vit A? Where is everybody. 😀 I finally found lab here that can test for it. So after like 4 years of almost zero vit A and after another 3-4 years of some vit A from green plants mainly I am very interested what the number will be lol..
Please share the results. I try to test my serum vitamin A levels at least once a year. I haven't done it this year, but I have values from previous years going back to 2019, when I started my low vitamin A journey.
Give it some time; people may return, or new people may flock to the forum. It's good that the forum is still up and running.
I think one reason people aren't as active is that the excitement about the diet has faded. At least I can speak for myself. Initially, I thought: This is it! It makes so much sense! Now, I'm still convinced that we generally have too much vitamin A in our bodies, but I'm really not sure what the best way to detox is anymore.
Grant is one of the few who had stellar results. He accumulates benefits yearly. There are a few others. But many, if not most, who went all in on a vitamin A detox never got the results they hoped for, despite their enthusiasm. That's a sad reality.
Unfortunately Grant banned Andrew, who popularized a different approach, from the forum. I think banning him was a mistake. To this day, it's unclear how to best detox vitamin A. Personally, I eat one to three eggs a day. Sometimes I eat cheese because I enjoy it. A full prison diet has not yielded the results I had hoped for. Big problem. I can't sustain something I don't fully believe in.
@christian yeah I will post results. For me I had strong detox the first year and I saw my health going better, but now I am afraid that I could be low lol.. I have no desire to eat high vit A foods apart from some watermelon in the summer or something like that, but I really wonder how much is in me still.. How the numbers are doing in your case are they going down? With Andrew I don' know exactly why he got ban, but at some point he was going really crazy about that egg/choline thing. He would spam the forum 24/7 everywhere about it which was somewhat annoying hehe.. He has some facebook page? how are doing people there? I don't follow anyone apart from this forum and also I watch people on lowtoxinforum doing that crazy HG7 protocol. 😀
Banning Andrew was the best thing for everybody, thank God for that.
I am still lurking around, will post a 5-year update in not too long.
For me it's hard to convince a doctor to prescribe such test unfortunately. And knowing that one single test doesn't give the full info it's probably not worth the effort.
@grapes yeah with blood testing you need more tests over time to see how it moves. In your country there is no labotory where you can go and simply pay for what you want to test? I hear this from many people. So I am happy that in my country Czech Republic at least that is good. There is many labs where you can go and pay for testing. I just couldn't find any lab that can test vit A until now..