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#111 · August 12, 2025, 10:49 pm

Quote from Joe2 on August 12, 2025, 10:49 pm
@jiri

I agreed with you for 4 decades. Grant's example has me rethinking everything repeatedly. My experience with Garrett Smith in last 32 month even more so.

Grant provides a fine example of what is possible, perhaps even probable, when we give plain good food a chance. He wrote about how expensive it was when he started. Bison costs are no joke. As he proceeded he realized real cost savings though. Meat, beans and grains routine is cheap compared to everything else the standard and non-standard Amurican diets afford.

The first question I have about your logic is how and when exactly does one know that they know what they are doing? I was wrong when I learned this paradigm. I am more certain daily that I am going to find I am wrong again when I learn my next paradigm. Took me 40 years to learn that WAPF wrecked me. And that B supplements, especially B6 wrecked me as well. Amazed the more I think of it that I did not supplement copper.

I have yet to meet two people doing tests and prescribing supplements who feel they know what they are doing who agree with each other. Similar to extremely confident religious opinions. There are a lot of people out there. They all have different opinions. And by their own definitions, everyone else is necessarily wrong. That means there is at least an overwhelming majority of us who think we know what we are doing who are wrong.

@a

Garrett's program touts that each individual writes their own protocol. The supplements are started at the lowest level and slowly increased to the optimal level. That will be different for each of us. For most nutrients that means staying under the RDA. Curious that while he complains about others megadosing and claims he never does, he routinely limits people to 30mg zinc daily until they consult with him. By his standards that is megadosing. He is much more aggressive (megadosing) on nicotinic acid and zeolite. I am most grateful to Garrett for prompting me to learn and use charcoal and psyllium husk fiber. I have used high dose nicotinic acid and thiamine. Not sure I would recommend either or any others. That would depend on your history, symptoms and what you are eating and supplementing now.

For every one of us supplementing and contemplating, my question is what exactly are the goals of supplementing. Specifics. Details. What evidence will be needed to feel justified with the supplement? When will the enough point be reached? When, where and how will the exit point be reached? What symptoms are expected and what symptoms are expected to be relieved. Linus Pauling held off prostate cancer for decades with daily megadosed vC. He cured nothing. He probably stopped his liver from dumping more toxins into his prostate for all those years. A kind of chemo as it were. In the end though the cancer won. What if he had given his liver a chance to get the toxins out and given his colon the means to remove the bile they rode in before being reabsorbed?

@jiri

I agreed with you for 4 decades. Grant's example has me rethinking everything repeatedly. My experience with Garrett Smith in last 32 month even more so.

Grant provides a fine example of what is possible, perhaps even probable, when we give plain good food a chance. He wrote about how expensive it was when he started. Bison costs are no joke. As he proceeded he realized real cost savings though. Meat, beans and grains routine is cheap compared to everything else the standard and non-standard Amurican diets afford.

The first question I have about your logic is how and when exactly does one know that they know what they are doing? I was wrong when I learned this paradigm. I am more certain daily that I am going to find I am wrong again when I learn my next paradigm. Took me 40 years to learn that WAPF wrecked me. And that B supplements, especially B6 wrecked me as well. Amazed the more I think of it that I did not supplement copper.

I have yet to meet two people doing tests and prescribing supplements who feel they know what they are doing who agree with each other. Similar to extremely confident religious opinions. There are a lot of people out there. They all have different opinions. And by their own definitions, everyone else is necessarily wrong. That means there is at least an overwhelming majority of us who think we know what we are doing who are wrong.

Garrett's program touts that each individual writes their own protocol. The supplements are started at the lowest level and slowly increased to the optimal level. That will be different for each of us. For most nutrients that means staying under the RDA. Curious that while he complains about others megadosing and claims he never does, he routinely limits people to 30mg zinc daily until they consult with him. By his standards that is megadosing. He is much more aggressive (megadosing) on nicotinic acid and zeolite. I am most grateful to Garrett for prompting me to learn and use charcoal and psyllium husk fiber. I have used high dose nicotinic acid and thiamine. Not sure I would recommend either or any others. That would depend on your history, symptoms and what you are eating and supplementing now.

For every one of us supplementing and contemplating, my question is what exactly are the goals of supplementing. Specifics. Details. What evidence will be needed to feel justified with the supplement? When will the enough point be reached? When, where and how will the exit point be reached? What symptoms are expected and what symptoms are expected to be relieved. Linus Pauling held off prostate cancer for decades with daily megadosed vC. He cured nothing. He probably stopped his liver from dumping more toxins into his prostate for all those years. A kind of chemo as it were. In the end though the cancer won. What if he had given his liver a chance to get the toxins out and given his colon the means to remove the bile they rode in before being reabsorbed?

#112 · August 13, 2025, 3:48 am

Quote from Jiří on August 13, 2025, 3:48 am
@joe2 The problem with megadosing niacin is that it it robbing you of methyl groups. It is horrible for undermethylators..

I don't think megadosing one B vitamin is smart idea or any micronutrient..

I understand what you mean with when you know that you know what are you doing. I think it is very complex issue. You have to have all those essential attributes like actually knowing at least the basics of biochemistry, how the human body works(I am not there at all for example. I try, but I don't have high IQ like other people I know..) and not thinking about this through lens of some brainwashed ideas/mindset from some diet cult guru etc.. Because lets be honest. THat is like 90% of people on the internet. Very little % of people are able to ignore all this useless, distracting noise and focus on the stuff that actually matters for the body..If you simply hold any other idea other than how the human body works and what it needs to function properly you will go nowhere..

I learned this mindset on hackstasis forum. It was really great place where I realized that basically everything you see on the internet most famous influencers talking about health. diet etc. is just complete nonsense.. All those debates about this diet, that diet, this drug, that drug. It is useless for your body, for your case..

You have to know biochemistry. Test what is going on in your body and address that.

It is exactly the same as when mechanic is fixing a car. He knows how everything works. He does all kinds of diagnostics and he is fixing what is broken.

Just with the human body you have to also consider the mental aspect. Like you can do everything perfect, but if you have chronic stress for some reason not much will change for better for the most part..

For most people they simply have some routine that is not ideal for their biochemistry. They eat the same foods, they do the same stuff. If they are lucky and it fits into their biochemistry perfectly they will end up like those 100yo people.

But in most cases what people do, eat, think etc.. doesn't fit into their biochemistry and so they push the body more and more out of balance and next thing you know you have cancer in 40yo or something..

To prevent this you can't just blindly follow some cookie cutter health protocol like Dr.Smith is doing for example and expect it will work perfectly for you.

You have to know what is going on in your body and act on that..

@joe2 The problem with megadosing niacin is that it it robbing you of methyl groups. It is horrible for undermethylators..

I don't think megadosing one B vitamin is smart idea or any micronutrient..

I understand what you mean with when you know that you know what are you doing. I think it is very complex issue. You have to have all those essential attributes like actually knowing at least the basics of biochemistry, how the human body works(I am not there at all for example. I try, but I don't have high IQ like other people I know..) and not thinking about this through lens of some brainwashed ideas/mindset from some diet cult guru etc.. Because lets be honest. THat is like 90% of people on the internet. Very little % of people are able to ignore all this useless, distracting noise and focus on the stuff that actually matters for the body..If you simply hold any other idea other than how the human body works and what it needs to function properly you will go nowhere..

I learned this mindset on hackstasis forum. It was really great place where I realized that basically everything you see on the internet most famous influencers talking about health. diet etc. is just complete nonsense.. All those debates about this diet, that diet, this drug, that drug. It is useless for your body, for your case..

You have to know biochemistry. Test what is going on in your body and address that.

It is exactly the same as when mechanic is fixing a car. He knows how everything works. He does all kinds of diagnostics and he is fixing what is broken.

Just with the human body you have to also consider the mental aspect. Like you can do everything perfect, but if you have chronic stress for some reason not much will change for better for the most part..

For most people they simply have some routine that is not ideal for their biochemistry. They eat the same foods, they do the same stuff. If they are lucky and it fits into their biochemistry perfectly they will end up like those 100yo people.

But in most cases what people do, eat, think etc.. doesn't fit into their biochemistry and so they push the body more and more out of balance and next thing you know you have cancer in 40yo or something..

To prevent this you can't just blindly follow some cookie cutter health protocol like Dr.Smith is doing for example and expect it will work perfectly for you.

You have to know what is going on in your body and act on that..

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#113 · August 14, 2025, 12:17 am

Quote from Joe2 on August 14, 2025, 12:17 am
@jiri

Maybe you get my idea. Maybe not. The folk I know most educated in biochemistry are the worst mental masturbators. They experiment the least and the least well. They have amazing equations and formulas. They are impressive as all get out. Then again. crazy computerized electric cars are impressive too. Until they are not.

Am old enough to have owned and dumped 2 hybrids. Converted 1 to plug in hybrid with a bigger battery and new computer. In both vehicles, we had they usual old car problems that eventually make us all go out and buy a new one. The stuff that goes wrong is just not worth spending more on. The extra battery systems just made this aspect worse sooner. The computer systems compounded that same problem. When all was said and done, we spent $4,000 on a civic hybrid over and above what a regular civic would have cost to save $1,000 on fuel over the life of the car. Converting a Prius to plug in hybride with a new computer and bigger battery gave the same negative return on investment, only sooner.

But I was determined. So when the clutch failed, sure I spent $3,000. On a 13 year old car that was worth $3,000. Then the battery died. Spent another $3,000 on a $3,000 vehicle with a new clutch. Alright all set now. Only 130k miles and new battery new clutch. Bring on that next 130k miles. Sure if it gets in an accident I will only get $3,000 for all that money I poured into it but I have faith in this new technology. Heal the planet baby. Then the transmission failed. Another $3,000. Enough. Traded it in for a new Corolla that gets 40mpg compared to their hybrid that gets 50mpg if its lucky and costs $5,000 more. 8 years on, that Corolla had one problem so far. Bad tire. It is so simple and so dependable and gets great mileage. And its resale value is many times better than hybrids and electric cars.

Now add to all that injury, the insult that the battery technology is not better for the planet than plain old petroleum industries. It is in fact much worse. Now add to that fact am old enough to remember how computer systems and electrical systems in general fail routinely past 15 years on all these cars made in last 40 years and yeh, simple is better.

Point of all that? Experts are wrong AT LEAST as often as us undereducated (indoctrinated) plebians. And when they are wrong they are way more wrong. And it costs us not them.

Now I reread what you wrote and I realize the issue I have is the ideal genius you describe who knows biochemistry and how his body works may or may not be a genius, but he is still far less experienced and knowledgeable than he needs to be to consciously run a system this complex designed to run itself. Wild guess here, but you are not a pilot. Even so, you probably have a better chance of flying a 747 in a storm with zero visibility and landing safely with that level of experience than all the genius biochemists have of consciously running their own systems.

If nothing else look at all the best experts and how many times they have pivoted on their best ideas. Nope, I do not dismiss their value. I am not a guru follower nor do I dismiss any expert or anyone who put their time in on any topic as a guru. And yeh, I have met and learned from gurus who actually knew their stuff. The best experts and gurus I have worked with are the best BECAUSE they know their limitations. Some wise guy got credited with the quote, the more I learn the less I know. The more I learn the more I realize I know far less than I need to.

I think your scenario of folk getting sick is better explained by failing to heed warning signs that indicate paradigm shift needed ahead. I thought I knew what I was doing every time I changed paradigm in the last 50 years. Then I was sure I knew what I was doing once I learned the new paradigm.

All I know now is that there is another paradigm shift coming because something I am doing now is not getting it. Here is to humilty and awareness to see that shift coming before hit crushes us the way failing to shift out of WAPF and into low vA crushed and humbled me.

@jiri

Maybe you get my idea. Maybe not. The folk I know most educated in biochemistry are the worst mental masturbators. They experiment the least and the least well. They have amazing equations and formulas. They are impressive as all get out. Then again. crazy computerized electric cars are impressive too. Until they are not.

Am old enough to have owned and dumped 2 hybrids. Converted 1 to plug in hybrid with a bigger battery and new computer. In both vehicles, we had they usual old car problems that eventually make us all go out and buy a new one. The stuff that goes wrong is just not worth spending more on. The extra battery systems just made this aspect worse sooner. The computer systems compounded that same problem. When all was said and done, we spent $4,000 on a civic hybrid over and above what a regular civic would have cost to save $1,000 on fuel over the life of the car. Converting a Prius to plug in hybride with a new computer and bigger battery gave the same negative return on investment, only sooner.

But I was determined. So when the clutch failed, sure I spent $3,000. On a 13 year old car that was worth $3,000. Then the battery died. Spent another $3,000 on a $3,000 vehicle with a new clutch. Alright all set now. Only 130k miles and new battery new clutch. Bring on that next 130k miles. Sure if it gets in an accident I will only get $3,000 for all that money I poured into it but I have faith in this new technology. Heal the planet baby. Then the transmission failed. Another $3,000. Enough. Traded it in for a new Corolla that gets 40mpg compared to their hybrid that gets 50mpg if its lucky and costs $5,000 more. 8 years on, that Corolla had one problem so far. Bad tire. It is so simple and so dependable and gets great mileage. And its resale value is many times better than hybrids and electric cars.

Now add to all that injury, the insult that the battery technology is not better for the planet than plain old petroleum industries. It is in fact much worse. Now add to that fact am old enough to remember how computer systems and electrical systems in general fail routinely past 15 years on all these cars made in last 40 years and yeh, simple is better.

Point of all that? Experts are wrong AT LEAST as often as us undereducated (indoctrinated) plebians. And when they are wrong they are way more wrong. And it costs us not them.

Now I reread what you wrote and I realize the issue I have is the ideal genius you describe who knows biochemistry and how his body works may or may not be a genius, but he is still far less experienced and knowledgeable than he needs to be to consciously run a system this complex designed to run itself. Wild guess here, but you are not a pilot. Even so, you probably have a better chance of flying a 747 in a storm with zero visibility and landing safely with that level of experience than all the genius biochemists have of consciously running their own systems.

If nothing else look at all the best experts and how many times they have pivoted on their best ideas. Nope, I do not dismiss their value. I am not a guru follower nor do I dismiss any expert or anyone who put their time in on any topic as a guru. And yeh, I have met and learned from gurus who actually knew their stuff. The best experts and gurus I have worked with are the best BECAUSE they know their limitations. Some wise guy got credited with the quote, the more I learn the less I know. The more I learn the more I realize I know far less than I need to.

I think your scenario of folk getting sick is better explained by failing to heed warning signs that indicate paradigm shift needed ahead. I thought I knew what I was doing every time I changed paradigm in the last 50 years. Then I was sure I knew what I was doing once I learned the new paradigm.

All I know now is that there is another paradigm shift coming because something I am doing now is not getting it. Here is to humilty and awareness to see that shift coming before hit crushes us the way failing to shift out of WAPF and into low vA crushed and humbled me.

#114 · August 14, 2025, 4:55 am

Quote from Jiří on August 14, 2025, 4:55 am
@joe2 But I never said that all you need is biochemistry knowledge. Of course you need experience. Having under your belt xx years/decades of observing, trying. having that experience to fucking your self up with stupid diets so you have that experience etc.. That's why I really don't take seriously any 20yo guru or expert on diet/lifestyle who everything he knows is from reading stuff. Not living it.

What I am saying is that eventually you should learn facts of what the hell is going on in the body. Otherwise you are living in lala land and just believe some stuff.

It is like some flat earth supporters. Why you think most of them are dumb as fuck and have no basic knowledge of any science that most people use daily in real world scenarios? You can't even debate them. It is like debating with some vegan who thinks for example that protein deficiency doesn't exist and that he doesn't even need any protein because he doesn't need to look like a bodybuilder. Person like that is completely lost. Just lives in his lala land. Thinks that he gets more and more spiritual when in fact he just gets more and more copper toxic.(yeah copper will make you go crazy-basic knowledge on elements)

That is just one example. Simply if your health is fucked and you have to fix it. You have to learn about that body. It is that simple. Just trying your luck and pick some stupid protocol/diet some "guru" and hope for the best is just stupid in 2025 when you have worlds library in your pocket..

I really hope that we don't have to debate if it is advantage to know something about human body. How it actually works if you want to fix something in it..

In real world doctors should take care of that. They are paid for it. But unfortunately that is not how it works. So if you want to fix it, you have to do it yourself basically.. I don't like it. I don't want to waste my life with this bullshit. But I have to if I want to get better. Nobody else will do it for me..

@joe2 But I never said that all you need is biochemistry knowledge. Of course you need experience. Having under your belt xx years/decades of observing, trying. having that experience to fucking your self up with stupid diets so you have that experience etc.. That's why I really don't take seriously any 20yo guru or expert on diet/lifestyle who everything he knows is from reading stuff. Not living it.

What I am saying is that eventually you should learn facts of what the hell is going on in the body. Otherwise you are living in lala land and just believe some stuff.

It is like some flat earth supporters. Why you think most of them are dumb as fuck and have no basic knowledge of any science that most people use daily in real world scenarios? You can't even debate them. It is like debating with some vegan who thinks for example that protein deficiency doesn't exist and that he doesn't even need any protein because he doesn't need to look like a bodybuilder. Person like that is completely lost. Just lives in his lala land. Thinks that he gets more and more spiritual when in fact he just gets more and more copper toxic.(yeah copper will make you go crazy-basic knowledge on elements)

That is just one example. Simply if your health is fucked and you have to fix it. You have to learn about that body. It is that simple. Just trying your luck and pick some stupid protocol/diet some "guru" and hope for the best is just stupid in 2025 when you have worlds library in your pocket..

I really hope that we don't have to debate if it is advantage to know something about human body. How it actually works if you want to fix something in it..

In real world doctors should take care of that. They are paid for it. But unfortunately that is not how it works. So if you want to fix it, you have to do it yourself basically.. I don't like it. I don't want to waste my life with this bullshit. But I have to if I want to get better. Nobody else will do it for me..

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#115 · August 14, 2025, 6:01 am

It does seem to be a truth that when experts go wrong they can go more wrong than the plebeians.

(on a side note, I had an early Prius that had a magically long life and is still in use I think, we gave it to our kid who gave it to our nephew. great car, got lucky with it's battery I guess?)

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#116 · August 14, 2025, 12:01 pm

Quote from lil chick on August 14, 2025, 6:01 am

It does seem to be a truth that when experts go wrong they can go more wrong than the plebeians.

(on a side note, I had an early Prius that had a magically long life and is still in use I think, we gave it to our kid who gave it to our nephew. great car, got lucky with it's battery I guess?)

The first two editions of the prius with nickel metal hydride batteries were the best. That technology had room to develop and improve. Toyota sold their EV soul when they switched to lithium. The next improvement they needed was to get the guy who made the EV1's powerplant to help them with theirs. Too bad GM and then Tesla crushed that technology. That prius we worked was a 2005. Hope yours runs forever and needs no help. If it does avoid the dealers. These are the guys working the technology the best using existing parts we found.

https://autobeyours.com/

Prius hybrids sales and service Scottsburg Indiana

Good guys. Open and honest. Will guide you as much as they can through whatever problems come. They learned from and with the two young electronic engineers who rebuilt our prius.

#117 · August 14, 2025, 12:13 pm

Quote from Joe2 on August 14, 2025, 12:13 pm

Quote from Jiří on August 14, 2025, 4:55 am

@joe2 But I never said that all you need is biochemistry knowledge. Of course you need experience. Having under your belt xx years/decades of observing, trying. having that experience to fucking your self up with stupid diets so you have that experience etc.. That's why I really don't take seriously any 20yo guru or expert on diet/lifestyle who everything he knows is from reading stuff. Not living it.

What I am saying is that eventually you should learn facts of what the hell is going on in the body. Otherwise you are living in lala land and just believe some stuff.

It is like some flat earth supporters. Why you think most of them are dumb as fuck and have no basic knowledge of any science that most people use daily in real world scenarios? You can't even debate them. It is like debating with some vegan who thinks for example that protein deficiency doesn't exist and that he doesn't even need any protein because he doesn't need to look like a bodybuilder. Person like that is completely lost. Just lives in his lala land. Thinks that he gets more and more spiritual when in fact he just gets more and more copper toxic.(yeah copper will make you go crazy-basic knowledge on elements)

That is just one example. Simply if your health is fucked and you have to fix it. You have to learn about that body. It is that simple. Just trying your luck and pick some stupid protocol/diet some "guru" and hope for the best is just stupid in 2025 when you have worlds library in your pocket..

I really hope that we don't have to debate if it is advantage to know something about human body. How it actually works if you want to fix something in it..

In real world doctors should take care of that. They are paid for it. But unfortunately that is not how it works. So if you want to fix it, you have to do it yourself basically.. I don't like it. I don't want to waste my life with this bullshit. But I have to if I want to get better. Nobody else will do it for me..

Agree with your criticism of lala landers. Have shared videos of ships dipping under horizon as they sail away to my share of flat earthers. They then argued it is an optical illusion from water reflections. Even after sharing with them first hand experience flying at 5,000 feet over land seeing cities slowly come up over horizon.

Guessing one of my points is we fail when we dismiss the lala landers out of hand. My main point is that regardless how much higher we climb the hill of experiential knowledge combined with theoretical knowledge, we still are screwing up. We need to be more humble than we were when we were copper maniacs. Now that I have first hand experience being that crazy idiot, I might want to remember how confident I was then. Maybe feel a little less reassured knowing how confident I feel now?

Quote from Jiří on August 14, 2025, 4:55 am

@joe2 But I never said that all you need is biochemistry knowledge. Of course you need experience. Having under your belt xx years/decades of observing, trying. having that experience to fucking your self up with stupid diets so you have that experience etc.. That's why I really don't take seriously any 20yo guru or expert on diet/lifestyle who everything he knows is from reading stuff. Not living it.

What I am saying is that eventually you should learn facts of what the hell is going on in the body. Otherwise you are living in lala land and just believe some stuff.

It is like some flat earth supporters. Why you think most of them are dumb as fuck and have no basic knowledge of any science that most people use daily in real world scenarios? You can't even debate them. It is like debating with some vegan who thinks for example that protein deficiency doesn't exist and that he doesn't even need any protein because he doesn't need to look like a bodybuilder. Person like that is completely lost. Just lives in his lala land. Thinks that he gets more and more spiritual when in fact he just gets more and more copper toxic.(yeah copper will make you go crazy-basic knowledge on elements)

That is just one example. Simply if your health is fucked and you have to fix it. You have to learn about that body. It is that simple. Just trying your luck and pick some stupid protocol/diet some "guru" and hope for the best is just stupid in 2025 when you have worlds library in your pocket..

I really hope that we don't have to debate if it is advantage to know something about human body. How it actually works if you want to fix something in it..

In real world doctors should take care of that. They are paid for it. But unfortunately that is not how it works. So if you want to fix it, you have to do it yourself basically.. I don't like it. I don't want to waste my life with this bullshit. But I have to if I want to get better. Nobody else will do it for me..

Agree with your criticism of lala landers. Have shared videos of ships dipping under horizon as they sail away to my share of flat earthers. They then argued it is an optical illusion from water reflections. Even after sharing with them first hand experience flying at 5,000 feet over land seeing cities slowly come up over horizon.

Guessing one of my points is we fail when we dismiss the lala landers out of hand. My main point is that regardless how much higher we climb the hill of experiential knowledge combined with theoretical knowledge, we still are screwing up. We need to be more humble than we were when we were copper maniacs. Now that I have first hand experience being that crazy idiot, I might want to remember how confident I was then. Maybe feel a little less reassured knowing how confident I feel now?

#118 · August 14, 2025, 1:17 pm

@joe2 yes be humble and knowing that you don't know much(even when you do in comparison with others) is another important factor.

Otherwise you can't learn new stuff and accept them..

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#119 · August 15, 2025, 3:32 am

@itsme the thing is I am not talking about those people you describe. I am talking about normal people who were simply just forced to learn some facts/basics of human biochemistry because they need to fix their health. I know what type of people you are talking about. Educated people with high social status who have big ego and think that they know it all. That they have all the answers. Doctors are often like that. Those people will learn hard way when they end up with health issues realizing that modern medical system is a scam..

So again just because you learn from biochemistry book some facts that could help you in your journey doesn't mean that you are not free thinker who person who just don't question anything. Or are you or others here trying to say that biochemistry science as we know it is not right or what is the deal here?

I would rather try to learn biochemistry basics than listening some guru with his agenda on youtube any day of the week.

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#120 · August 15, 2025, 3:44 am

Quote from A on August 15, 2025, 3:44 am

Quote from Jiří on August 12, 2025, 10:41 am

You can't send hair sample to USA? I can from Czech Republic.. So you did hair test in some local laboratory?

I tried apo lactoferrin. While taking it I had insane anemia symptoms without reduction in feritin. I think it binds to the iron and the body can't use it. But I don't think apolactoferin can somehow eliminate iron from the body.. Good old bleeding is best for it..

But hard to tell you should do blood test for iron panel at least feritin and ideally for copper serum copper + ceruloplasmin. Serum zinc is helpful as well. But it has to be tested at the same time to see if you have all that copper bound to ceruloplasmin or free.. If you have high free copper taking some histidine is good for binding that free copper.. But blindly antagonize copper it can create problems.. It is a good idea to up the trace elements like chromium, molybdenum, iodine, selenium.. Most people are low in them.. Also silica etc.. Nutritional balancing is not directly focused on just copper. Unless you have exposure to toxic amount of copper it is not about copper. It is about imbalanced body and the copper imbalance is just result of that and when you balance the body(all elements not just zonc/copper) copper metabolism should work again..

Thanks for letting me know about the lactoferrin. I'll trying giving blood instead again. I just fainted the last few times. A bit pathetic I'll try again.

Since supplementing zinc and biotin I'm waking up with morning wood when I didn't before and able to train harder so I think it's giving me more testosterone. I eat seafood, beef and a lot of healthy stuff so I'm going to have to conclude that diet isn't enough :/

Supplements can turn into an addiction. What happened to me was that I got some amazing successes and then I just want MOAR! If there's even the slightest problem I'm on it like a hawk and I really enjoy researching as well. Mostly it's OK, and I certainly have a much better track record on myself than doctors, but saying no isn't that easy. People see my interest in all this and think I'm anxious or something, but actually it's curiosity. Curiosity can kill the cat.

You're right about being wrong. I've definitely done that many times. Take vitamin D for example. Avoided that one for a very long time, but eventually with some people sounding extremely knowledgable on it, and covid, I decided to test. That came in slightly low despite an hour in tropical sun every day, so I supplemented. Only after the fact did I find out that there are different types of vitamin K! Then, after I got that sorted I then found out that the reason my body isn't producing good amounts of vitamin D is probably due to a lack of cofactors and overriding that safety mechanism could be risky!

I didn't think I could send the hair sample from abroad because the message on the website, but if you did it from Europe maybe it's possible here too.

Regards cars and planned obsolesce I really think leasing would be more honest and push the real cost where it should be. Leasing costs are much higher. Military stuff is another strategy.

Quote from Jiří on August 12, 2025, 10:41 am

You can't send hair sample to USA? I can from Czech Republic.. So you did hair test in some local laboratory?

I tried apo lactoferrin. While taking it I had insane anemia symptoms without reduction in feritin. I think it binds to the iron and the body can't use it. But I don't think apolactoferin can somehow eliminate iron from the body.. Good old bleeding is best for it..

But hard to tell you should do blood test for iron panel at least feritin and ideally for copper serum copper + ceruloplasmin. Serum zinc is helpful as well. But it has to be tested at the same time to see if you have all that copper bound to ceruloplasmin or free.. If you have high free copper taking some histidine is good for binding that free copper.. But blindly antagonize copper it can create problems.. It is a good idea to up the trace elements like chromium, molybdenum, iodine, selenium.. Most people are low in them.. Also silica etc.. Nutritional balancing is not directly focused on just copper. Unless you have exposure to toxic amount of copper it is not about copper. It is about imbalanced body and the copper imbalance is just result of that and when you balance the body(all elements not just zonc/copper) copper metabolism should work again..

Thanks for letting me know about the lactoferrin. I'll trying giving blood instead again. I just fainted the last few times. A bit pathetic I'll try again.

Since supplementing zinc and biotin I'm waking up with morning wood when I didn't before and able to train harder so I think it's giving me more testosterone. I eat seafood, beef and a lot of healthy stuff so I'm going to have to conclude that diet isn't enough :/

Supplements can turn into an addiction. What happened to me was that I got some amazing successes and then I just want MOAR! If there's even the slightest problem I'm on it like a hawk and I really enjoy researching as well. Mostly it's OK, and I certainly have a much better track record on myself than doctors, but saying no isn't that easy. People see my interest in all this and think I'm anxious or something, but actually it's curiosity. Curiosity can kill the cat.

You're right about being wrong. I've definitely done that many times. Take vitamin D for example. Avoided that one for a very long time, but eventually with some people sounding extremely knowledgable on it, and covid, I decided to test. That came in slightly low despite an hour in tropical sun every day, so I supplemented. Only after the fact did I find out that there are different types of vitamin K! Then, after I got that sorted I then found out that the reason my body isn't producing good amounts of vitamin D is probably due to a lack of cofactors and overriding that safety mechanism could be risky!

I didn't think I could send the hair sample from abroad because the message on the website, but if you did it from Europe maybe it's possible here too.

Regards cars and planned obsolesce I really think leasing would be more honest and push the real cost where it should be. Leasing costs are much higher. Military stuff is another strategy.

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