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New protocol to fix iron/copper toxicity
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Jiří on August 17, 2025, 10:38 pm
@whatisaging yes but still from supplements there is absorbed much more so even that small dose from supps is not even close to the effect from food.. In food you absorb much much more than from supps.. Especially if we talking about plant sources with antinutritents etc.. Just because some food has this or that amount of stuff in it doesn't mean you can even absorb it.. It is all bound to fiber etc.. So I think even that 5% HG7 stack would be impossible to mimic with food..
@whatisaging yes but still from supplements there is absorbed much more so even that small dose from supps is not even close to the effect from food.. In food you absorb much much more than from supps.. Especially if we talking about plant sources with antinutritents etc.. Just because some food has this or that amount of stuff in it doesn't mean you can even absorb it.. It is all bound to fiber etc.. So I think even that 5% HG7 stack would be impossible to mimic with food..
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@jiri
The idea of fiber-bound nutrients is rather unpredictable to me. Here's a study where pinto beans were able to outperform copper supplements.
So the real test is experiment.
@jiri
The idea of fiber-bound nutrients is rather unpredictable to me. Here's a study where pinto beans were able to outperform copper supplements.
So the real test is experiment.
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Jiří on August 18, 2025, 4:42 am
@whatisaging yeah I think copper is absorbed well from plants, but other minerals not so much. For sure not zinc and I think that if you eat lets say steak with brown rice all that phytic acid from that brown rice can also bind some zinc during digestion..
@whatisaging yeah I think copper is absorbed well from plants, but other minerals not so much. For sure not zinc and I think that if you eat lets say steak with brown rice all that phytic acid from that brown rice can also bind some zinc during digestion..
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Joe2 on August 18, 2025, 7:53 am
Interesting takes on copper. Doubt any of us have a chance of suffering copper deficiency. There is so much coming in from so many sources it seems impossible. Just our water sources with all the copper pipes today have us absorbing too much copper. Then there are the dietary sources.
Interesting takes on copper. Doubt any of us have a chance of suffering copper deficiency. There is so much coming in from so many sources it seems impossible. Just our water sources with all the copper pipes today have us absorbing too much copper. Then there are the dietary sources.
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Jiří on August 18, 2025, 8:19 am
@joe2
" Doubt any of us have a chance of suffering copper deficiency. "
You can end up with deficiency due to low production of copper transport proteins. It is my case. The body needs ceruloplasmin to transport copper where is needed. If the liver doesn't produce this protein for some reason the copper just builds up in liver, later brain and other tissues..
Or you can end up with deficiency from simply taking too much zinc. Zinc will increase metallothionein. This protein will bind copper in intestine and will hold it until the intestinal wall cell will die off and that that protein with the copper into the poop.. So if you take too much zinc all the time you will prevent copper absorption and create deficiency over time..
But to your point. Copper deficiency just from simply not eating enough copper is very unlikely. Copper really is in every food basically..
Here you have more good info on copper
http://drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm
@joe2
" Doubt any of us have a chance of suffering copper deficiency. "
You can end up with deficiency due to low production of copper transport proteins. It is my case. The body needs ceruloplasmin to transport copper where is needed. If the liver doesn't produce this protein for some reason the copper just builds up in liver, later brain and other tissues..
Or you can end up with deficiency from simply taking too much zinc. Zinc will increase metallothionein. This protein will bind copper in intestine and will hold it until the intestinal wall cell will die off and that that protein with the copper into the poop.. So if you take too much zinc all the time you will prevent copper absorption and create deficiency over time..
But to your point. Copper deficiency just from simply not eating enough copper is very unlikely. Copper really is in every food basically..
Here you have more good info on copper
http://drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm
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@jiri
Here's a study which looked at zinc bioaccessibility in legumes. The last 2 sentences of the abstract:
"However, elements initially present are considerably more bioaccessible [from cooking] probably due to a destruction of some antinutritional components as a consequence of processing. Finally, according to a probabilistic assessment used to determine the contributions to Dietary References Intakes (DRI), legumes were proper sources of Fe, Cu, Mn and Zn."
@jiri
Here's a study which looked at zinc bioaccessibility in legumes. The last 2 sentences of the abstract:
"However, elements initially present are considerably more bioaccessible [from cooking] probably due to a destruction of some antinutritional components as a consequence of processing. Finally, according to a probabilistic assessment used to determine the contributions to Dietary References Intakes (DRI), legumes were proper sources of Fe, Cu, Mn and Zn."
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Joe2 on August 19, 2025, 1:28 am
@jiri
Thank you. Will read the copper site asap.
Your speculation on the protein explains why it was not an issue for Grant and all the other folk who come to low vA eating a decent amount of meat.
@jiri
Thank you. Will read the copper site asap.
Your speculation on the protein explains why it was not an issue for Grant and all the other folk who come to low vA eating a decent amount of meat.
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Jiří on August 26, 2025, 9:54 am
@whatisaging has anyone done blood test while taking EGCG only to see if what Jacob is saying that by taking EGCG free copper in serum will rise is actually true?
I would do that experiment, but 10 years ago when my health was not so bad. No I can't afford to experiment like that. But if I saw that it is actually true that you take EGCG that will "release" free copper that you can bind to molybdenum, histidine or whatever. That would be really cool and I think I would star with that protocol.. For now I don't see any evidence for this iron is somehow keeping copper hostage or something like that..
@whatisaging has anyone done blood test while taking EGCG only to see if what Jacob is saying that by taking EGCG free copper in serum will rise is actually true?
I would do that experiment, but 10 years ago when my health was not so bad. No I can't afford to experiment like that. But if I saw that it is actually true that you take EGCG that will "release" free copper that you can bind to molybdenum, histidine or whatever. That would be really cool and I think I would star with that protocol.. For now I don't see any evidence for this iron is somehow keeping copper hostage or something like that..
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