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New protocol to fix iron/copper toxicity
Yes @jiri
We all compare our cases to Grant's or we would not be here. We all screwed ourselves up various ways and we all overcome our mistakes and make repairs as we can. A few of us recognize that many if not most of the repairs we make on the way cause worse problems.
As I said, you accused of calling hair tests b======== when I did not say that nor imply that. I have used them. They worked for me in determining what toxins I had been exposed to. Beyond that is nigh impossible to know much. Some times they indicate getting toxins out of tissue, sometimes they indicate failure to get toxins out of tissue. It depends on too many variables including and especially who is reading the test.
Go ahead and try working with the pretense that detoxing copper or anything else is unrelated to and a different issue than vA. It is all one process. Our liver and kidneys are primary in that process. Any toxin changes how well we deal with all the other toxins. There are examples of people all around us who have detoxed horrific stuff and done better. Whether Grant had all your toxins or not, we all had other toxins that we are unaware of that we detoxed without a clue.
Some systems work best when we let them.
@joe2 HTMA is not about looking what toxic metals you have. It is about balancing oxidation and that will allow detoxing them properly.
If you or your practitioner did hair test looking for toxic metals you did it completely wrong.
"Go ahead and try working with the pretense that detoxing copper or anything else is unrelated to and a different issue than vA. It is all one process. "
There is a reason why I ended up with copper issues. The same reason why girls end up with copper issues when they take birth control pills.
It has nothing to do with vit A at all.
You don't know anything about copper metabolism. This is topic about detoxing copper not vit A.
Just because we are on Grant forum doesn't mean we can't discuss different topics. This has nothing to do with vit A.
Yes it can be part of it if you made yourself toxic with crazy amounts of vit A form foods, supplements, accutane etc. like I did.
But I no longer have any severe issues related to vit A after 8 years of low vit A diet. My serum retinol is slowly approaching deficient territory.
I have many other issues to deal with.
If you think that detoxing vit A is the answer for everything than you are wrong. Same as vegans are wrong that vegan diet is the answer for everything.
I wish it would be so simple and I was wrong. But it is not the case unfortunately.
You are trying to school me here like I am a month into this thing.
Crazy.. Showing me videos of some bearded guy who had no idea about vit A when I was half a decade into detoxing it.
Watched his videos. Has no idea about biochemistry. Just learned that vit A can be toxic and you think it is some authority on this topic?
That guy can't name even all essential vitamis and minerals and he should teach us? Are you kidding me?
Anyways I see that you are going crazy in all topics on this forum. So I just assume that you have a need to flush your brain.
Hopefully it is helping you. But I just can't be a part of it. I should relax and not arguing with somebody..
thx..
You are right about relaxing and not straw manning ideas of what you think I am saying and thinking.
You can have your opinion on hair tests and other tests and I can as well. In spite of what you infer I think or say, I acknowledge the value of 747 as an aircraft and also acknowledge that there are only a handful of people on the planet I want to pilot one for me. And then there are only a few flight maneuvers I want them to attempt in it. That aircraft is complex. So are we. So are results from all these tests that pharma industrial medicine wants us to believe they already know everything we need to learn.
Fallacies of these statements are too obvious.
"It has nothing to do with vit A at all. You don't know anything about copper metabolism. This is topic about detoxing copper not vit A."
This statement demonstrates that you already knew that. Or should.
"Yes it can be part of it if you made yourself toxic with crazy amounts of vit A form foods, supplements, accutane etc. like I did."
What makes you think that copper is not one of your vA issues? What makes you think that vA is not to some degree involved with most if not every issue especially as regards liver function? What makes you think that I feel detoxing vA is the answer for every issue? Even if it is involved in every issue?
If you did not know I had and to some degree still have B6 toxicity symptoms. Eating more B6 cranks them up. Eating less gives more relief. If memory serves eating more vA also cranks them up. It has been awhile since I had nuts enough to intentionally eat vA.
Who is trying to school who? I am not the one claiming experiential superiority and dismissing any of the kids less knowledgeable all over the place.
I also gave you an example of Thor Torrens not because he is an idol you need to worship or a guru you need to grovel at the feet of. I presented him as an example of an athlete who is working with vA concepts to achieve better performance and doing well. He is improving his own performance. More importantly he is improving performance with professional athletes. Results matter. There are people in the vA culture who are getting better results.
Appreciate you diagnosis that I am going crazy on all topics. Willingness to read and relate to what people write is crazy to you then ok. Perhaps that says more about you than me.
"What makes you think that copper is not one of your vA issues? What makes you think that vA is not to some degree involved with most if not every issue especially as regards liver function? "
Last answer to you. I started poisoning myself with vit A after I did steroids, after I had copper issues. Before that I was eating hardly any vit A. I was following bodybuidling diet of mostly rice, oats, eggs(mostly egg whites) meat for at least 10 years.
My vit A intake was for sure lower than intake of average people nowhere near even 50% of RDA and only after I crashed I started pounding vit A like crazy from all sources(paleo, keto, Ray Peat, Morley Robbins etc.)
Every toxin reduces the liver's ability to detoxify all the other toxins. Even a minimal intake of one toxin can cause an excess of that toxin if taken in at the same time or after taking in another toxin. Good luck with thought that these are separate issues and separable treatments.
@jiri I'm continuing my low vitamin A experiment on HG7. I've tried all sorts of food though, and it changes my experience on them. Like I've gone weeks straight on restaurant foods. Fried foods, which gave me IBS episodes, now do nothing to me. Dairy, which flares my eczema, now feels like regular food.
This guy?
Holy Grail of Health? HG7 Beginners Guide with Jacob & Krissy I Rejuvenate Podcast Ep. 126
Curious how Elwin is doing with it now? How long have you done it now? How long have you stepped off it?
Ah no, that is the creator with handle @T_R_Heisenberg, not me @whatisaging. I'm a different person who just posts in that forum. I didn't create the protocol or that thread.
I'm not in contact with Elwin, so I can't say beyond his last podcast appearance. I think Heisenberg posted recently that Elwin is still on the protocol.
I finished day 251, so over 8 months now. I recently took a break for a couple weeks, but otherwise have been on it rather consistently.
Heisenberg's going on 4 years, I believe.