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New protocol to fix iron/copper toxicity
@whatisaging Elwin made a post that he would be interested to talk with someone on a podcast who does HTMA in combination with other stuff like blood testing etc..(some good practitioner) So if you want or know somebody like that you can email him.
Asked Elwin how he is doing with it. Waiting on reply. Heisenberg is um less convincing that Garrett. Even if he has good ideas, he is advocating flying his aircraft higher and taking on more weight to make his aircraft work better. Aka increase the amounts of the supplements and increase the risks if and when failing.
Feels like he pushed risk higher than risk to reward ratio tolerates. Makes lyl g's niacin / zeolite / MSG protocol sound genius compared to HG7.
In previous analogies, I talked about flying a 747. Even in a small plane what you guys are advocating is justifying hard adjustments to flight attitude to compensate for years of imbalanced flight. Reminds of flight instructor showing me how to pull out of a spin. Sure, you can push throttle to the wall and push controls hard to force her out of the spin in to level flight. You can also tear her apart in the process. Most of the time, it is easier and faster to sit back and release her. Let her right herself like the craft that she is designed to be - balanced.
Granted if your cargo fell back into the tail and your center of gravity is now too far back, you are pretty much screwed. But taking on more weight and or pushing controls harder is probably as less helpful than prayer. A guy got in that pickle over Alaska with a live load. Passenger had to climb back and repeatedly throw animals forward entire rest of flight to keep weight forward while animals kept rushing to back. Heisenberg's solution is to fly higher and bring more animals on board.
Wait. Why is Heisenberg doing this for 4 years? When is he done? When does he move on with his health and zero need to supplement?
@joe2 I thought he sounded pretty stupid when I first encountered him, but I decided to try it for a couple days. I'd dump it if I didn't feel good. To my amazement, 90% of my health problems disappeared in just a week. I agree that the branding isn't as appealing, but I decided to focus more on the results.
Also, a couple clarifications:
1. The high doses are optional. I've done 6% doses at the same ratios, and they also help.
But the benefits scale with the dose; I feel much better on the 100% dose than on the 6% dose. I actually like it twice a day, so I do 200%.
2. He thinks that he found more optimal ratios for the general public, so he is now suggesting that the layman starts with something small, like 10%. Before, the ratios weren't perfect. He found it easier to perfect the ratios when testing it on higher doses, when side effects are more visible. More on that here.
Quote from Joe2 on September 5, 2025, 12:23 amWait. Why is Heisenberg doing this for 4 years? When is he done? When does he move on with his health and zero need to supplement?
Before we get to his train of thought, I think it's worth noting that Grant himself decided to stop vitamin A indefinitely, so it's worth keeping that in mind when asking this question. That once you get a poison out, it feels strange to allow yourself to ingest it and accumulate it again.
The same logic would apply to this protocol. That taking it daily helps with all the metals and poisons that we are exposed to every day from food and pollution. I also think that it detoxes vitamin A, but that's another discussion.
Now, Heisenberg himself said, in my memory and to paraphrase, that by year 3, he stopped doing it daily, and just does it on weekends. That by year 2, he was healthy enough to stop. But that he believes that there are still more metals in his system, and that he'd like to keep getting them out and replenish zinc. That if he does this long enough, he may reach a state of health closer to his 20's, rather than his 30's.
Quote from whatisaging on September 5, 2025, 12:19 am@jiri I'll be interested to see who he comes up with. HTMA is really interesting, but I spend most of my time thinking about aging, so that's not my forte.
I told him about Robert Selig. I can't thin of a better HTMA guy that is active in podcasts etc. right now..
I like Selig's podcasts, for sure. I haven't looked into his client results. There's one guy on twitter, Clark Engelbert @metalsbrah, who regularly posts his clients' hair tests and testimonials, and it's rather convincing.
@whatisaging that's great if that Clark guy has good results. He is not doing it long. He is in that group of practitioner like Luke Pryor, Lewis etc..
Is he using those new supps from Valence or old endo med? Those new supps don't look bad, but they don't have molybdenum in any of their supplements crazy.. Maybe because ARL is not using molybdenum so they don't even know about it lol..
I mean I did the test with help of that Luke Pryor guy. He for example has no idea that chloride from sodium chloride is essential element and thinks that it is chlorine.
He said on the podcast something like "table salt is not good. Sodium chloride. Chlorine doesn't sound like something healthy that we need." LOL
Average gym trainer knows more about biochemistry than that guy and he is doing HTMA for like 15 years. Making money from it. Crazy..
@jiri I am not aware of which supps he uses.
I would agree that the difference between chlorine and chloride is good to be aware of.
Clark posts a lot of good science content. Like he made me aware that aluminum can cause iron accumulation by disturbing its metabolism.