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New protocol to fix iron/copper toxicity
The issue I am taking with HG7 and Heisenberg has nothing to do with my perception of his intelligence or lack. It is all about results and the means to those ends. From here it looks like he is coming up with a drug like effect or duration paradox example. Granted he is doing it with things commonly accepted today as nutrients as well as some non-nutrients.
Regardless from a 50,000' / 40 year perspective, it looks like he is developing the next super popular multivitamin. All he needs is for Pfizer to step in with a money bomb on him to take the intellectual property rights and they will brand HG7 as the new Centrum Plus.
There are a few folk ahead of Heisenberg who have done this exact incremental development. It is exactly how multivitamins were and still are being developed. It feels like that infinite pursuit of the perfect fountain of youth elixir. Like a vegan form or adrenochrome?
Regardless how nasty that all sounds, the point is that it goes to intent and goals. Results I mean. When we have zero clue where we are going when we go, count on it, we will get there. Having a target goal changes the how that we use to get there. It also changes how we assess our efforts and results.
As I understand it, Heisenberg still smokes and more or less is less than let's call it careful about his health - other than the protocol.
Regarding HG7 being a duration paradox, this isn't clear. Like with coffee or drugs, it doesn't take long to stop working. Those things need progressively higher doses to get the same effect. This also happens in weeks, or a few months.
I'm now starting month 9 on HG7, and I get the same effects as on day 1. I can take a 10% dose and still feel effects from it.
I can also stop HG7 for 2 weeks and feel fine. No withdrawal symptoms, and many of the benefits are preserved.
I'm not saying that long term effects can't happen, since we can only see what happens up to 4 years. But I don't think this protocol is similar to drugs or caffeine at all.
If you look at what some ingredients can do individually, like EGCG or molybdenum, it's very difficult to imagine that nothing is getting detoxed.
Had similar arguments with Garrett and his niacin, zeolite and now MSG protocol.
Could it be that using a number or items with synergistic actions stretches out the duration of the duration paradox? Also, majority of duration paradoxes I grew up with went decades.
Oops wrong thread
https://ggenereux.blog/discussion/topic/daniil-log/?part=18#postid-32241
@joe2 Are you saying that niacin, zeolite, and MSG cause duration paradoxes?
Also, which duration paradoxes take decades to materialize?
Some things might not be duration paradox, but just imbalance in the body caused by supplementing along one nutrient vector. The synergy of HG7 prevents such imbalance.
For now this sentence is pure conjecture.
"The synergy of HG7 prevents such imbalance."
Even if you had short term evidence it will be a decade before you have convincing evidence. Even then it will not be long term evidence. Please remember, this is not like Grant's evidence in his 11 years of depleting vA. All it took to prove that the current society wide belief that vA is a nutrient as fraud is an n=1 where the case survives deficiency LET ALONE DEPLETION. Just as all it will take to prove your conjecture wrong is one person who does the HG7 protocol and experiences imbalances. Meanwhile, please do show the evidence that your statement is true.
As to length of time for duration paradox to materialize, that depends of the point of view of the observer more than anything. Am old enough to remember when over 90% of adults smoked in public. Like 97% of surgeons smoked. Restaurants billowed out smoke when their doors opened. My family's livelihood derived from multiple health care careers. While little kids were wise cracking about stupidity of smoking in the 1960's doctors, nurses and health care professionals argued zero downside risks to smoking and lots of benefits.
When have we ever seen addictive substances that do not get their duration paradoxes covered up and disguised by their addicts? How many people are still siting articles about health effects on some seriously stupid stuff? Chocolate? Coffee? MSG? Cannabis? Alcohol? All pharmaceuticals?
Sure some wiser people see duration paradox much quicker. Or at least suspect it quicker. And there are other much more subtle substances and behaviors than these commonly accepted addictions.
And yeh, for sure, my first guess on zeolite and MSG is that the good effects currently being felt are honeymoon phase of duration paradox. Probably true for niacin too. I think how soon the whiplash that comes as the paradox shows its ugly turn depends on a lot of factors. Duration, quantity and quality of the substance or idea? Also the context of the person using that paradigm. For example, the meat eaters seem to show less tolerance for MSG in proportion to the amount of meat they get. Makes sense that someone lower in amino acids might enjoy supplementing an amino acid. Also makes sense that an amino acid would be wildly popular in a culture that is notoriously short on meat and unpopular in cultures that are notoriously well supplied with meat.
Why is Heisenberg going to add MSG to HG7? Now that would be ironic.
Quote from Joe2 on September 5, 2025, 9:31 pmFor now this sentence is pure conjecture.
"The synergy of HG7 prevents such imbalance."
Even if you had short term evidence it will be a decade before you have convincing evidence. Even then it will not be long term evidence. Please remember, this is not like Grant's evidence in his 11 years of depleting vA. All it took to prove that the current society wide belief that vA is a nutrient as fraud is an n=1 where the case survives deficiency LET ALONE DEPLETION. Just as all it will take to prove your conjecture wrong is one person who does the HG7 protocol and experiences imbalances. Meanwhile, please do show the evidence that your statement is true.
The fact that I'm not dead.
Have you seen these dosages? By themselves, these ingredients are deadly. On average daily, I've taken around 400mg of zinc, 5000mg EGCG, 300mg B6, and 15mg molybdenum over the past 8 months. Alone, any of those would kill me in under a month. Liver failure, gallstones, pancreas failure, gout, neuropathy, copper deficiency.
I have none of this. I've gone as high as 1200mg zinc in a day, 9000mg EGCG, and 40mg molybdenum. And 9000mg biotin. Without any symptoms.
Ok. That is an extreme curiosity. That is not evidence that this is a good idea. It is evidence that balance in the mix of drugs is improved so that bad results are not immediate. Or at least not as immediate as one might expect. That is a long way from evidence that balance in the person is being achieved let alone that good balance is being achieved let alone that long term balance is being achieved.
Like I said that is a curious thing. In itself worth a lot more research. To be sure though everything I said about this whole paradigm and how it is developing has been done before and is being done. These same arguments were used when first multivitamins were made. And every multivitamin since. Every manufacturer puts forward this same form of marketing with the pretense of sound, careful and safe science.
Somewhere down the road, and probably not far down the road, Heisenberg or you or someone else will realize the protocol is better or safer or whatever if we just add this one other thing I found and on. In other words it is being developed. Heisenberg did not start out 4 years ago with this exact formula. He has made profound changes to it all along. Everything right with that and zero wrong. It is the process and the way we move forward.
What gives me pause is that from a few months, maybe decades of experience, I feel confident the claims he made of his formula 3 years ago are the same as the claims he is making now and will be the same as the claims he makes a year from now, providing he is still doing as well as he is. Maybe the claims will not be EXACTLY the same? But they will be mostly the same.
Linus Pauling did this exact same thing with vC for his prostate cancer. These were his exact arguments. To be sure 18g of vC for decades should have rinsed his guts out like a firehose and did not. In the end though, he still died with and of colon cancer. If nothing else, we can learn that vC held off the cancer's advance by a few decades. No small feat. If anything else, we can learn that vC did not cure that cancer. For what it is worth, Pauling was coming up with other ideas to add to his stack when he was not putting in time arguing with experts of the day about veracity and meanings of his claims.
@jiri On my hair tests, manganese started at 0.37, then 0.17 after a month, then 0.014 after 2 more months, which is below the normal range.
So maybe. I haven't had the symptoms of manganese deficiency, though:
"fatigue, weakness, joint pain, seizures, cognitive impairment, skin rashes, and hair loss"