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New protocol to fix iron/copper toxicity
Quote from Jiří on September 6, 2025, 11:56 am@whatisaging mine was 0.010 started taking some another test year later 0.016 and now after 8 years again 0.010 lol..
I think I will trust ARL and will keep taking some...
I am reading all the time how connected all elements are. I really can't imagine HG7 is not creating some major imbalance.
We simply need to see some test of Jacob who is doing it the longest time.. With his smoking, junk food diet. He simply has to be deficient in other B vitamins and other micronutrients...
@whatisaging mine was 0.010 started taking some another test year later 0.016 and now after 8 years again 0.010 lol..
I think I will trust ARL and will keep taking some...
I am reading all the time how connected all elements are. I really can't imagine HG7 is not creating some major imbalance.
We simply need to see some test of Jacob who is doing it the longest time.. With his smoking, junk food diet. He simply has to be deficient in other B vitamins and other micronutrients...
Quote from whatisaging on September 6, 2025, 12:22 pm@jiri
Don't imbalances have symptoms though? Are there "phantom imbalances" which only show up on tests?
Not sure about Heisenberg, but Elwin's other B vitamins went up on HG7. It's possible that iron plays a big role in disrupting homeostasis.
Don't imbalances have symptoms though? Are there "phantom imbalances" which only show up on tests?
Not sure about Heisenberg, but Elwin's other B vitamins went up on HG7. It's possible that iron plays a big role in disrupting homeostasis.
Quote from Jiří on September 6, 2025, 12:46 pm@whatisaging maybe depleting some trace elements takes a long time. But once you feel issues it is too late like with vit A. Once you realize you are full of it you have years of reversing that imbalance ahead of you. Maybe his body is still able to compensate well. To be honest I think it is the same case with Grant.
That low vit A was good for him for first couple of years, but now his body is trying really hard compensate for his unbalanced/deficient diet..
I mean your manganese goes down and you have probably much better diet, you are not chain smoking etc. like Jacob..
I mean we always knew that the needs of the body are changing. We are not robots. We are living organism. To think that you can take this protocol your whole life and be more and more healthier is crazy.
Maybe he us right and 20 years down the road if I will still live I will say "fuck they were right. I should start that protocol 25 years ago."
But I think it is highly unlikely heh..
@whatisaging maybe depleting some trace elements takes a long time. But once you feel issues it is too late like with vit A. Once you realize you are full of it you have years of reversing that imbalance ahead of you. Maybe his body is still able to compensate well. To be honest I think it is the same case with Grant.
That low vit A was good for him for first couple of years, but now his body is trying really hard compensate for his unbalanced/deficient diet..
I mean your manganese goes down and you have probably much better diet, you are not chain smoking etc. like Jacob..
I mean we always knew that the needs of the body are changing. We are not robots. We are living organism. To think that you can take this protocol your whole life and be more and more healthier is crazy.
Maybe he us right and 20 years down the road if I will still live I will say "fuck they were right. I should start that protocol 25 years ago."
But I think it is highly unlikely heh..
Quote from whatisaging on September 6, 2025, 1:03 pm@jiri
In the scope of your model, isn't there a case for doing this for a while to get the benefits of copper and iron detox, then stopping before the trace elements become depleted?
Similarly with low vitamin A, in your model, it seems like it helps for a couple years. So doing it that long, then stopping, would make sense, right?
I do agree that the long term consequences are unclear.
In the scope of your model, isn't there a case for doing this for a while to get the benefits of copper and iron detox, then stopping before the trace elements become depleted?
Similarly with low vitamin A, in your model, it seems like it helps for a couple years. So doing it that long, then stopping, would make sense, right?
I do agree that the long term consequences are unclear.
Quote from Joe2 on September 6, 2025, 1:36 pmWhy would you think that you would not deplete trace elements at the same time and possibly more than you would deplete copper and iron?
What makes you think Grant's body is trying to compensate hard for imbalances from vA deficiency?
Why would you think that you would not deplete trace elements at the same time and possibly more than you would deplete copper and iron?
What makes you think Grant's body is trying to compensate hard for imbalances from vA deficiency?
Quote from whatisaging on September 6, 2025, 2:12 pm@joe2
1. Deficiencies in trace elements cause symptoms, which I don't have. I'm feeling better than on day 1, so I'd bet on detox happening faster than an imbalance.
2. Your second question is likely directed to @jiri .
1. Deficiencies in trace elements cause symptoms, which I don't have. I'm feeling better than on day 1, so I'd bet on detox happening faster than an imbalance.
2. Your second question is likely directed to @jiri .
Quote from Joe2 on September 6, 2025, 3:21 pmYep on second question.
Like the man falling off a building. At every floor he says so far so good. He does not have any symptoms either. As Jiri warned, symptoms follow long after imbalances. Besides that, I had symptoms I did not notice long before isotretinoin wrecked me undeniably.
That is as wise as claiming a politician is your friend as proven by the fact that the politician has not hurt you. Yet.
Yep on second question.
Like the man falling off a building. At every floor he says so far so good. He does not have any symptoms either. As Jiri warned, symptoms follow long after imbalances. Besides that, I had symptoms I did not notice long before isotretinoin wrecked me undeniably.
That is as wise as claiming a politician is your friend as proven by the fact that the politician has not hurt you. Yet.
Quote from whatisaging on September 6, 2025, 4:33 pmI already said that this is my guess, and that the long term consequences are unclear.
Vitamin A accumulation and storage in the liver is not the same thing as trace mineral deficiency. I'd love to see an example of someone with a trace mineral deficiency who does not manifest any noticeable symptoms.
I already said that this is my guess, and that the long term consequences are unclear.
Vitamin A accumulation and storage in the liver is not the same thing as trace mineral deficiency. I'd love to see an example of someone with a trace mineral deficiency who does not manifest any noticeable symptoms.
Quote from Joe2 on September 6, 2025, 7:34 pmBecause you have not seen it, you think that it is not true? You think that deficiencies and imbalances operate like on off switches?
Interesting that this highlights another self contradiction in these arguments that Grant is an anomaly or a misinterpreted incident in the history of nutrition and science.
One moment we are arguing that our systems resemble a car dashboard that has no guages telling us specifics about fluid, temperature and pressure levels. Instead all we have is on off warning lights. As long as our warning light stays off we are not experiencing imbalance nor deficiency.
Next moment we are arguing that our systems resemble a car dashboard with no on off warning lights but full of detailed real time guages telling us all the specifics we need on fluid, temperature and pressure levels. So detailed that we now see the imbalances and deficiencies before the symptoms appear. So the sciency hair / blood / tissue tests are so accurate we can adjust our intakes and repair our systems better than our systems can repair themselves.
Something about that these self contradictory takes on vA and all of the science seems distrustful of the intent, integrity and competence of the Designer of our systems. Almost arrogant about our meager bit of knowledge. Especially when compared with the sum of knowledge built into our systems.
To be sure, vA poisoning is not the same as mineral deficiency. And to be sure, vA poisoning does not happen without also causing mineral deficiencies.
Because you have not seen it, you think that it is not true? You think that deficiencies and imbalances operate like on off switches?
Interesting that this highlights another self contradiction in these arguments that Grant is an anomaly or a misinterpreted incident in the history of nutrition and science.
One moment we are arguing that our systems resemble a car dashboard that has no guages telling us specifics about fluid, temperature and pressure levels. Instead all we have is on off warning lights. As long as our warning light stays off we are not experiencing imbalance nor deficiency.
Next moment we are arguing that our systems resemble a car dashboard with no on off warning lights but full of detailed real time guages telling us all the specifics we need on fluid, temperature and pressure levels. So detailed that we now see the imbalances and deficiencies before the symptoms appear. So the sciency hair / blood / tissue tests are so accurate we can adjust our intakes and repair our systems better than our systems can repair themselves.
Something about that these self contradictory takes on vA and all of the science seems distrustful of the intent, integrity and competence of the Designer of our systems. Almost arrogant about our meager bit of knowledge. Especially when compared with the sum of knowledge built into our systems.
To be sure, vA poisoning is not the same as mineral deficiency. And to be sure, vA poisoning does not happen without also causing mineral deficiencies.
Quote from whatisaging on September 6, 2025, 7:52 pm.
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