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Niacin
PJ said: "(I am not implying you are an alcoholic, lol)"
I think AM a "TINY Little Alcoholic" . With my habit to have one drink per day, every day, I've been teetering on the line between moderate and heavy (for 40 years) according to this "sobering" stat... 8 drinks per week is considered a heavy drinker for a woman. It's equivalent to 15 drinks per week for a man. huh!
I've realized that the bad physical effects have snowballed (possibly a while back too, but I was in denial) and so I fit into the other classic definition-- alcohol is causing me problems, but I didn't want to stop. ("it couldn't be the wine! I'm French!")
One of the early changes is that I'm sleeping better.
Gosh, I suppose it's sort of like how people just can't admit that VA can cause issues, it's hard to imagine that something so ubiquitous could really be that bad.
Quote from Jiří on January 25, 2024, 8:28 am@alexm I acknowledge your experience. But I really can't take as an argument what Dr.Smith said. He said a lot of stupid things. For example that copper is just toxic metal not essential for our body. How dangerous is that to push BS like that on people.. Once someone ends up with aneurysm or stroke because copper deficiency caused collagen breakdown will he use that case in his videos as testimony? I don't think so.. To me Dr.Smith is equivalent of Morley Robbins now. I just can't take him seriously..
@jiri What I was saying is not just based on my experience or what Smith said, its from what I've seen with other information posted online and another groups liver protocol (not Garret's). And yes I agree with you he is mistaken about certain things, I think people in this blog group and GS's community have the completely wrong end of the stick about copper.
Anyway try the TUDCA and let me know if it fixes anything I would be interested to know. However I haven't seen on anyone on this blog say they've fixed their liver issues with TUDCA.
@alexm there is crazy amount of positive reviews about TUDCA as well. You really think that if something would just cause liver damage it would be so popular for so long and used as liver support supplement? Especially considering its high price? Anyway I was using TUDCA before but I wasn't sure about the quality of the product. So when I saw in the shop where I wanted order something else the most popular brand that should be one of the best on the market I said fuck it. I will try it again.. So far after 2 days of taking 500mg a day nothing special is happening. Will see after couple of weeks.. I have two bottles - 120 caps 250mg each so I can take it 2 months... I take 10-15g of sunflower lecithin as well and that helps me poop for sure..
@alexm I wonder if the benefits of nicotinic acid on lipid panel is from that flush or it is not related? I am asking because if I will take 25-50mg with a meal which doesn't result in any flush will it have the same benefits?
Quote from Jiří on January 27, 2024, 7:02 am@alexm there is crazy amount of positive reviews about TUDCA as well. You really think that if something would just cause liver damage it would be so popular for so long and used as liver support supplement? Especially considering its high price? Anyway I was using TUDCA before but I wasn't sure about the quality of the product. So when I saw in the shop where I wanted order something else the most popular brand that should be one of the best on the market I said fuck it. I will try it again.. So far after 2 days of taking 500mg a day nothing special is happening. Will see after couple of weeks.. I have two bottles - 120 caps 250mg each so I can take it 2 months... I take 10-15g of sunflower lecithin as well and that helps me poop for sure..
@jiri I think you misinterpreted what I was saying, I never said TUDCA causes liver damage I said it doesn't fix the issue. Yes it can improve some liver symptoms and markers in short term.
For example UDCA which is similar to TUDCA (I know TUDCA is said to be more benifical)
"Ursodeoxycholic acid (UDCA) is the main treatment for PBC. It can help prevent or delay liver damage in most people, particularly if you start taking it in the early stages of the condition. But it does not improve symptoms such as itchy skin or fatigue. Once you start taking UDCA, it's likely you'll need to take it for the rest of your life."
A lot of people on here have liver issues, don't you think if something like TUDCA fixed it, then people here would be taking it and would have solved their liver issues but that is not the case.
I just recently noticed that niacin is a potent copper antagonist and increase both zinc and chromium absorption, chromium is not useful for the human body and potentialy toxic in all form , red meat and chicken meat is rich in chromium,zinc and niacin which makes me question the usefulness of a niacin supplementation implementation in a G.S style of diet.
"I wonder if the benefits of nicotinic acid on lipid panel is from that flush or it is not related? I am asking because if I will take 25-50mg with a meal which doesn't result in any flush will it have the same benefits? "
If you do not flush with 50 mg this mean that either your Niacin supplement is not 100 % pur nicotinic acid or you simply drink too much water, you can also add acid like ascorbic acid to increase the flush effect . And to answer your question the lipid lowering effect is in my opnion not related to the flush but rather the increase of fat/energy conversion.
@alexm Obviously if you have liver issues because you have some kind of toxicity it will not help you. But it should help with diluting bile. That's why I am trying it.. Why people here don't take it? I don't know. How many of them actually tried it? I think not many.. Because most people don't take much supplements I think let alone expensive ones like that.. Bodybuilders taky it in off season to fix their liver panel all the time for a long time. It wouldn't be so popular if it did nothing. I have issues with high liver enzymes. So will see on a blood work if it did something..
@arios I have legit niacin from swanson and I already said that 100mg pill on empty stomach gives me crazy flush. But I don't want that flush because I will get crazy cold after the flush is done. Especially now in the winter. So I take it at the end of the meal and only 25-50mg...