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Andrew B on December 13, 2022, 2:25 am
@christian It sounds like a lot of bile. You'll notice things as a month or two months go by that with high beef/zinc diet the lecithin will be helping you absorb zinc better. You'll get plenty of zinc depending how long you've been doing the vit A low. Try reducing to about 15-22 mgs and see if that helps. If you feel in good mood then less reason to push things. The B5 at 200 mgs is very high considering RDA is about 8 mgs. I'd try to find the lowest level you do well on as it's using up resources to process it. This is all about replenishing phosphatidylcholine so 'detox' is less important at the moment.
@christian It sounds like a lot of bile. You'll notice things as a month or two months go by that with high beef/zinc diet the lecithin will be helping you absorb zinc better. You'll get plenty of zinc depending how long you've been doing the vit A low. Try reducing to about 15-22 mgs and see if that helps. If you feel in good mood then less reason to push things. The B5 at 200 mgs is very high considering RDA is about 8 mgs. I'd try to find the lowest level you do well on as it's using up resources to process it. This is all about replenishing phosphatidylcholine so 'detox' is less important at the moment.
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Hermes on December 13, 2022, 11:00 am
Hi @inger, yeah, it's for sure what you mention, increased uncertainty, pressure to perform well, lots of new people, and trying to navigate the corporate world. I wonder how I could take care of myself during this time. For a start, I could give myself the time needed to process all the new impressions. Maybe writing might be helpful, you know, in a kind of free-flowing-thought-of-way, so I can get the thoughts out instead of them lingering in my unconscious. What has helped you in the past? It sounds as if you've experienced similar situations before.
Hi @inger, yeah, it's for sure what you mention, increased uncertainty, pressure to perform well, lots of new people, and trying to navigate the corporate world. I wonder how I could take care of myself during this time. For a start, I could give myself the time needed to process all the new impressions. Maybe writing might be helpful, you know, in a kind of free-flowing-thought-of-way, so I can get the thoughts out instead of them lingering in my unconscious. What has helped you in the past? It sounds as if you've experienced similar situations before.
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Hermes on December 13, 2022, 11:09 am
@andrew-b
Well, I'm approaching four years of low vitamin A, but it's taking me longer than others. The lecithin seems to do really something good for me. I wasn't aware that it would also increase the absorption rate of zinc. Usually, I take it in the evening. Yesterday, I ditched it outright. Am I understanding you correctly that zinc supplementation actually increases the detox? So by leaving it out, we can put a break on it, so to speak.
As for the vitamin B5, I was under the impression that all the B vitamins actually are being excreted if there is more than the body needs, right? You suggest on the contrary that excess vitamin B5 uses up other resources to process it. I kind of still tend to think of the-more-the-better, but maybe you're right, it's time to reduce the B5 supplement. If you find time to explain why you think other resources (and what they are) are being used up, please elucidate. I really appreciate your informative comments and time you take to counsel people like me who are not as knowledgeable.
@andrew-b
Well, I'm approaching four years of low vitamin A, but it's taking me longer than others. The lecithin seems to do really something good for me. I wasn't aware that it would also increase the absorption rate of zinc. Usually, I take it in the evening. Yesterday, I ditched it outright. Am I understanding you correctly that zinc supplementation actually increases the detox? So by leaving it out, we can put a break on it, so to speak.
As for the vitamin B5, I was under the impression that all the B vitamins actually are being excreted if there is more than the body needs, right? You suggest on the contrary that excess vitamin B5 uses up other resources to process it. I kind of still tend to think of the-more-the-better, but maybe you're right, it's time to reduce the B5 supplement. If you find time to explain why you think other resources (and what they are) are being used up, please elucidate. I really appreciate your informative comments and time you take to counsel people like me who are not as knowledgeable.
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Andrew B on December 13, 2022, 12:03 pm
@christian yes, the zinc seems to increase the detox. Whether it's a little copper, other metals or simply improving the vit A detox. It's quite clear to me and others that it pushes the detox in this situation. The kidneys I think are having to remove the B5. I've used this approach with other people and it does seem to help. Too much B5 is probably using up other B vitamins too.
@christian yes, the zinc seems to increase the detox. Whether it's a little copper, other metals or simply improving the vit A detox. It's quite clear to me and others that it pushes the detox in this situation. The kidneys I think are having to remove the B5. I've used this approach with other people and it does seem to help. Too much B5 is probably using up other B vitamins too.
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Luisa on December 13, 2022, 12:51 pm
@christian
I had to stop sunflower lecithin supplement. My sleep was suffering I think maybe it got me with too high acetylcholine. Also started getting really bloated I think I have SIBO like you, I'm getting proper testing to confirm. I have reintroduced eggs, 2 to 3 eggs a day, my sleep is back to normal but one more time my vision is getting worse I don't know if it's detox or the lutein in the eggs to be honest.
I would be careful with high acetylcholine, you don't want to be too high or too low. I think I will try other sources of choline that don't have lutein to see. By the way fiber feeds SIBO so I'm being careful about fiber for now.
@christian
I had to stop sunflower lecithin supplement. My sleep was suffering I think maybe it got me with too high acetylcholine. Also started getting really bloated I think I have SIBO like you, I'm getting proper testing to confirm. I have reintroduced eggs, 2 to 3 eggs a day, my sleep is back to normal but one more time my vision is getting worse I don't know if it's detox or the lutein in the eggs to be honest.
I would be careful with high acetylcholine, you don't want to be too high or too low. I think I will try other sources of choline that don't have lutein to see. By the way fiber feeds SIBO so I'm being careful about fiber for now.
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Hermes on December 14, 2022, 4:54 am
@luisa
How would you notice too high acetylcholine?
In my case, the lecithin initially improved my sleep, where I was able to sleep up to ten hours straight, which was fantastic. I felt refreshed and ready to take on the day. Right now, I'm struggling with a good sleep cycle. I wonder if the lecithin is pushing the detox too strongly and affects my sleep.
I avoid most fibers as well. For instance, beans don't work in my case. What have you found to be helpful to tackle your SIBO issues? I think activated charcoal is doing something in my case. Also, sodium acetate calms me and is antibacterial too (by mixing vinegar with baking soda you can make sodium acetate).
@luisa
How would you notice too high acetylcholine?
In my case, the lecithin initially improved my sleep, where I was able to sleep up to ten hours straight, which was fantastic. I felt refreshed and ready to take on the day. Right now, I'm struggling with a good sleep cycle. I wonder if the lecithin is pushing the detox too strongly and affects my sleep.
I avoid most fibers as well. For instance, beans don't work in my case. What have you found to be helpful to tackle your SIBO issues? I think activated charcoal is doing something in my case. Also, sodium acetate calms me and is antibacterial too (by mixing vinegar with baking soda you can make sodium acetate).
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Hermes on December 14, 2022, 4:56 am
@andrew-b
For now, I'm cutting zinc and have reduced the B5 to only 10 mg daily.
For now, I'm cutting zinc and have reduced the B5 to only 10 mg daily.
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Luisa on December 14, 2022, 12:28 pm
@christian
I honestly don't know if it's too high acetylcholine, but acetylcholine has a big impact on sleep, REM specially. I just know I stopped the sunflower lecithin and added two or max three eggs and my sleep is back to normal, also my bloating issues are less now.
I'm just realizing now that I might have SIBO, I had a Hydrogen test done and will know results in the last week of Dec, but meantime I'm just limiting fiber, I can't eat apples for example without getting extremely bloated and I was fin with them and oatmeal before. I can't even look at beans without getting constipated!.
@christian
I honestly don't know if it's too high acetylcholine, but acetylcholine has a big impact on sleep, REM specially. I just know I stopped the sunflower lecithin and added two or max three eggs and my sleep is back to normal, also my bloating issues are less now.
I'm just realizing now that I might have SIBO, I had a Hydrogen test done and will know results in the last week of Dec, but meantime I'm just limiting fiber, I can't eat apples for example without getting extremely bloated and I was fin with them and oatmeal before. I can't even look at beans without getting constipated!.
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Jiří on December 14, 2022, 12:39 pm
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Jessica2 on December 14, 2022, 5:49 am
@christian Cutting zinc out helped me immensely. I can't remember if it was giving me sleep issues, but it was causing hair shedding and bloating again. I was taking 50 mg of picolinate, that's kind of excessive.
Yeah that is a lot of zinc. Especially for female.. Try 20-30mg every other day..
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Jessica2 on December 14, 2022, 5:49 am
@christian Cutting zinc out helped me immensely. I can't remember if it was giving me sleep issues, but it was causing hair shedding and bloating again. I was taking 50 mg of picolinate, that's kind of excessive.
Yeah that is a lot of zinc. Especially for female.. Try 20-30mg every other day..
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Orion on December 14, 2022, 2:21 pm
For those taking or testing with sunflower lecithin, how much would you take? I'm just curious
@luisa
For those taking or testing with sunflower lecithin, how much would you take? I'm just curious
@luisa
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