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Thanks, that was entertaining to hear and see Brian at his "most ripped". I'm going to screen capture his slides and audio tape his presentation for the archives. It's hard to send his lectures to friends. Most people can't seem to get past his personality.

I have his PEO Solution book which is a really good read. Quite a few "eye-openers". The product based on his recommendations, YES PEO, is well-liked at Amazon's comment section. He's been "chased" a bit by the authorities, but that just seems to make him more adamant. He does go back at least ten years (his YouTube channel) and he was warning about the dangers of fish oil back then and probably earlier. I did a deep-dive on him and the subject he presents, just prior to discovering Grant's work. We were taking some YES PEO capsules, but not consistently or at therapeutic levels.

It is interesting how this overlaps the dangers of the Retinoids, and no doubt the other side of the damaged-tissue coin, which is having sufficient and proper building-blocks to make new cell membranes for the cells that are themselves making/repairing the membranes of higher-order structures in the body. It's kind of fractal.

Some of the content of the video of Dr. Matheson's clinical experience with the oils, which is like Part 2 of this one, (same conference) is almost unbelievable, but plausible. It's worth a two-month experiment with the oils at higher intake levels.

Since his product is somewhat expensive, I replicated it last year, pretty closely anyway, through buying the refrigerated nutritional oils separately; the ones made by Flora in Canada and then tried approximating Brian's ratios.

Buying UDO's 3-6-9 from Flora is also pretty close I think to what Brian has developed. Udo Erasmus wrote Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill a long time ago and he covered some of this material. I'm tempted to read that again and compare to knowledge gained since he wrote it. There is some debate, that is there would be if you could get the folks on the same platform, about the appropriate LA-to-ALA ratio (Omega 6-to-Omega 3).

(did an edit above - reversed the LA-to-ALA terminology in the first draft)

Patricia and Ed Kane have written an excellent history, with the conclusion that LA-to-ALA should be 4-to-1 based on a study in Israel from the early 90's. They give credit to the Flax/Cottage Cheese promoter from Germany, Johanna Budwig, a famous biochemist, but also show how she got it wrong. Wikipedia dismisses Budwig for her anti-cancer claims and only alludes to the importance of her fight against the hydrogenation industry and their adulteration of oils (1950's timeframe), which at the time was literally heroic as I understand it. Here's a snip from Wiki. Note her focus on a "low oxygen environment", just as Brian Peskin is pointing at in the video. I like how Brian talked about "cellular respiration" being like a mitochondrial blast-furnace. That particular membrane might be the most important one in existence.

While working as a researcher at the German Federal Health Office she noted many cancer drugs being evaluated in the 1950s contained sulphydryl groups. Budwig believed sulphydryl compounds were important to cellular metabolism and cellular respiration.^[1] Budwig researched the theory that a low oxygen environment would develop in the absence of sulphydryl groups and/or fatty acid partners that would encourage the proliferation of cancerous cells.^[1] With H.P. Kaufmann she developed paper chromatography techniques to identify and quantify fatty acids.^[1] Budwig used these techniques to compare the fatty acid profiles of sick and healthy individuals. This made her one of the first scientists to consider the health implications of fat consumption, according to Mannion et al. in a 2010 paper in the journal Nutrients.^[1]

Brian does reference Patricia Kane (I think it was once in his book), but doesn't give much credit as I recall. Anyway, here's the pdf from the BodyBio Bulletin.  http://becknatmed.com/doc/BodyBioBulletin-4to1Oil.pdf

Ed and Patricia Kane's product BodyBio Balance Oil is found at Amazon. It only has Sunflower and Flax oils, whereas Brian's includes Pumpkin seed and Evening Primrose in addition to those two (maybe one other as well).

UDO's 3-6-9 has the following ingredients (don't know the ratios) - Omega-3 ALA (alpha-linolenic acid), Omega-6 LA (linoleic acid), GLA (gamma-linolenic acid), Omega-9 OA (oleic acid).  Organic flax seed oil, organic sunflower seed oil, organic sesame seed oil, organic coconut oil, organic evening primrose seed oil, organic rice bran oil, organic soy lecithin, organic oat bran oil, mixed tocopherols (non-GMO).

Thanks again for linking the video. I think it's really important stuff.

Thanks again for an interesting post John. I did follow the budwig protocol back in october as I find the theory behind interesting. Quark and best quality flax oil. The quark fxcked me up badly, unsure if it was the quark only or if the oil contributed (phytoestrogens) but it made my endometriosis "explode". I wonder if they pasteurized the quark in Budwig's days..?

I had completely forgotten about udo's oil, it was very popular 20 years ago with fitness competitors back home during their competition diet for keeping skin smooth and soft.

Sorry to hear that Liz. I had mixed-reviews about 25 years ago when the book came out and again 10 years later. Nothing like endometriosis going off the charts, but random things that were hard to pin down. Don't you wish these outdated books would come with an addendum? I haven't thought to add a comment at Amazon, but it makes sense. Short and sweet - refer readers to the better science and put in a plug for Grant's amazing work!!

Thanks for your comments, it's cool to share this stuff and learn from others on the front lines. I've got Grant's details printed on business cards and pass them out here and there. I'm seeing so many challenged kids wherever I go these days, but it's hard to walk up to their parents and say - "Hi, you might want to read this guys website and books." Wherever it makes sense I take the chance that I won't piss somebody off. Usually folks are OK and might even ask for details, but normally I don't hear back from anyone, no matter how close of friends or acquainted we are. But, it's still planting seeds, and I don't think most people throw business cards away. So it's there when they go, "what was that I heard about Vitamin A"?

Budwig's books are interesting though. But it makes me wonder if pasteurization can adulterate the outcome? Or if people back then were just less poisoned? She claims to have treated many and many got well so there should be some truth to it. But many factors may have changed over the years.

Retinol is involved in aromatization of estrogen so already being toxic and adding even more retinol+ retinoic acid + lignans from the oil probably was too much for my system. I have not yet checked my genetic status but could also have a genetic defect that breaks down estrogen slower which could further contribute. Dont remember the name of the gene. And no one seems to know anything about endo either. I will have surgery im one week to "clean up" in there. They are more or less forcing me into chemical menopause afterwards but I dont want to, i would much rather wait and see how the endo will grow back, if it will, on this vit a free diet. I am risking losing some organs already as it is but I want to find out!! Not just for me but for everyone else on this planet that has this horrible disease. Would prefer a miracle though 😂

The business card thing you've got going on, what a great idea. The most common issue i get from people who i tell about this to, is that it is too hard, or too boring to eat that way. I have some family and friends trying it out which is super exciting. I dont envangelise about it though, too many nutty dieters out there as it is 😂. So the business card idea was clever.

Quote from somuch4food on January 24, 2019, 5:02 am

I've started reading the sample of PEO solution on Amazon. I'm a bit put off by his preference of a carnivore diet, but I don't think he believes it to be the only solution since the book is coauthored by a clinician pushing a vegetarian diet.

I'm also seeing early results from adding more virgin olive oil and refined soybean oil after cooking, so that it isn't heated. The skin on my hands and the bags under my eyes are better than they have been in the last few years.

PEOs could also explain why I felt great eating salads with steak this summer (I was making my own dressing with olive oil).

Quote from somuch4food on January 24, 2019, 6:48 pm

The carnivore diet was not meant to mean eating only meat, but a diet containing meat. I guess I overreacted with all the craze about all meat diets.

Peskin used to eat mostly meat, but recently changed to a more vegetarian diet.

Quote from somuch4food on January 25, 2019, 10:29 am

I find it interesting that the book (PEO Solution) contains 2 different opinions in every chapter, but I must say that I thought it would be more technical than this.

They are basically refuting theories with weak arguments from time to time, esp Dr. Rowan. In the chapter on carbohydrates, he uses the argument that gorillas do not eat grains therefore we are not meant to eat them. Excuse me, but we are not gorillas and maybe, gorillas would eat grains if they knew how to process them to extract nutrients. We wouldn't be here with a 8-billion population without agriculture and grains. He also mentions that rice is better because it was consume way back when in Asia, but the same applies to wheat.

As an aside, I have been adding more vegetable oils to my meals. I put a tsp of olive oil on my meat for example. It has had a positive impact on satiation and mood.

Quote from Guest on January 25, 2019, 11:20 am

Yes Peskin promotes a relatively low carb unless you are working out then he says it's okay. Nevermind that civilizations have thrived on grains, wheat, barley, corn ect for thousands of year. Granted that we probably were more active but maybe he should worry about glycophate more.

Other than that I have added few tsp of organic sunflower oil and some black seed oil. One drastic change that I had last year was cut out all the nuts and seeds I used to eat daily because of supposed a anti nutrient. My skin issues started around the same time. I might bring back almond butter too.

Ron

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Quote from Guest on January 25, 2019, 11:20 am

Yes Peskin promotes a relatively low carb unless you are working out then he says it's okay. Nevermind that civilizations have thrived on grains, wheat, barley, corn ect for thousands of year. Granted that we probably were more active but maybe he should worry about glycophate more.

Other than that I have added few tsp of organic sunflower oil and some black seed oil. One drastic change that I had last year was cut out all the nuts and seeds I used to eat daily because of supposed a anti nutrient. My skin issues started around the same time. I might bring back almond butter too.

Ron

I'm taking black seed oil too- just 1250 mg daily but so far I like it. That was a big step for me coming from avoiding polyunsaturated fats for over 5 years. I really enjoy select grains and fruits so I can't imagine ever going low carb again. Maybe my bad experience with low carb was actually from the cod liver and krill oil I was taking at that time though. Still I have no desire to cut out food groups anymore. Minimizing A and glyphosate seems restrictive enough as it is but the results so far are definitely worth it to me.

Quote from DWL on January 26, 2019, 6:53 pm

Guest, in. The Hidden Story of Cancer (p. 196), Peskin   lists these oils.  The first number following the oil is the Parent Omega 6 %;  the second number is the Parent Omega 3%.  

He recommends taking a 1:1 or 2:1 ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3 oils in the accompanying text. 

I hope this helps.  

 

Sunflower  oil--65%, 0%;  Flax oil--20%,55%;  Sesame oil--45%, 0%;  Pumpkin oil--43%, 0%;  Hemp oil--45-60%, 22%;  Evening primrose oil--74%, 0%;  Borage oil--38%, 0%;  Corn oil--59%, 0%;  Grapeseed oil--75%, 0%;  Olive oil--8%, 0%;  Myngingi 39%, 0%

Quote from Guest on January 26, 2019, 7:49 pm

Thank you that's very helpful.

I have watched a lot of peskin trying to learn more. I think he suggests anywhere between 2.5 to 1 to 1to1 ratios. Reason being is that American standard diet has a lot of omega 6 albeit rancid. I think that most of us health conscious people actually don't get that much omega 6 at all especially if we avoid nuts. I am going to try a 3 to 1 omega 6 to 3 ratio.

Quote from DWL on January 26, 2019, 8:04 pm

Sounds good.  One teaspoon of cold pressed organic oil was recommended;  for a highly refined oil , Peskin  recommended taking two tablespoons.