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Rapid Gum Recession
I used lemon water and vitamin C for a while and I got the impression that vitamin C cures, and lemon juice CAUSES me symptoms of scurvy. I'm not sure why this is so. Probably non-organic lemons. I also think that giving up caffeine can be useful for gum health.
That definitely helps confirm my suspicion that my gum problems are from Vitamin A. The question is, what to do about it?! I had slight gum recession before adopting a low Vitamin A diet, but it's gotten much worse after about a year on the diet. Is this an unavoidable side effect of getting stored Vitamin A out of my tissues? Or am I creating unnecessary problems with my particular dietary approach to low Vitamin A?
I've mentioned in other posts how a lot of my symptoms are occurring around my head, and how I've had moments of dizziness/vertigo recently that I'd been free of for about a year. I'm getting more confident that these are unavoidable problems with getting Vitamin A out of my head and nervous system. Every time I think I've reached the peak of suffering, my body figures out another way to ratchet the misery up one more notch...lovely.
I see. Its a hard situation. Thanks to GGenereux we could find this, i wouldn't figure it. I'll start the diet too, i hope im doing the right choice this time.
I’m sorry to hear that you are suffering so. You may be right that these are unavoidable problems on the detox. I don’t know, as everyone is individual.
I’m going back to thinking the microbiome is of supreme importance in all this. From what you’ve said I would think yours maybe out of balance. I’ve also been looking at deficiencies induced by the detox due to increased requirements for enzymes/repairs. I think that particular deficiencies will be individual due to genetics, microbiome and diet etc., however, may be highly significant for some.
What I’m trying to say is that some of your symptoms may be due to deficiencies induced by a rapid detox that your microbiome and diet can’t keep up with. I’m a huge fan of doing this detox slowly. That’s just my personal opinion. I’ve described my approach on another thread recently (see Science: A theory on enhancing vA excretion, if interested). I may be right, I may be wrong! What seems to work for me (I’m feeling better but I’ve had no testing to confirm this) may not work for others.
Quote from wavygravygadzooks on September 18, 2021, 7:49 pmThat definitely helps confirm my suspicion that my gum problems are from Vitamin A. The question is, what to do about it?! I had slight gum recession before adopting a low Vitamin A diet, but it's gotten much worse after about a year on the diet. Is this an unavoidable side effect of getting stored Vitamin A out of my tissues? Or am I creating unnecessary problems with my particular dietary approach to low Vitamin A?
I've mentioned in other posts how a lot of my symptoms are occurring around my head, and how I've had moments of dizziness/vertigo recently that I'd been free of for about a year. I'm getting more confident that these are unavoidable problems with getting Vitamin A out of my head and nervous system. Every time I think I've reached the peak of suffering, my body figures out another way to ratchet the misery up one more notch...lovely.
Yes, this is also my suspicion. That Vitamin A is slowly coming out of hiding places in the head. Perhaps it is part of unavoidable long-term detox. Gum recession-- and other issues too. Thick, sticky, itchy yellowish-green nasal mucus that creates the weirdest boogers (can cause sore places in the nose). Papules in the T zones that you kind of thought you might be done with. Ears suddenly ringing, intermittent tinitus and occasional vertigo. Hair and scalp issues. Skin tone weirdness (such as dark areas). Goopy eyes and little eye papules. Peeling lips. My guess might be that this happens at the rate of your body's renovation schedule. I've heard you are new every 7 years. Perhaps it would take that long.
Interesting what was said above about vitamin C helping but not lemons. Hmm!
I think that gently brushing with lots of a foamy, soapy toothpaste and swishing it energetically for 60 seconds helps my mouth feel better. Seems to be smart to do between meals. Not sure about much else. I flip flop on flossing. But I suppose getting rid of what's come to the surface is one thing that you can do.
Skin and scalp and ears and eyes and nose can all benefit from keeping the surface clean--in my opinion.
Quote from Jenny on September 8, 2021, 12:21 pm@alastair which vitamins do you find most depleted while detoxing vA? Thanks for more evidence on the importance of zinc.
@jaj Hi. The only evidence I have of vitamin depletion are of vit D and vit b12. Vit D I do finger prick blood tests for occasionally, not so often these days though. I take 5000iu vit D/day. That's probably a bit controversial on here. 🙂 I can tell when my B12 is depleted because it depresses the cobalt level on my hair analysis. I believe vit A toxicity depletes B1, B2, and folate as well. I have found a moderate dose B complex that suits me well and I take daily- Nature's Plus, B-Complex with Rice Bran, 90 Tablets - iHerb I used to take a B-50 complex, but stopped it when I learned that 50mg B6 daily could well give you B6 toxicity. I don't tolerate B-complex's that contain more than 50mcg biotin. There are videos on youtube about bad reactions to biotin- that's exactly what I get. On top of the above I take B12 methylcobalamin drops, as necessary (indicated by my hair analysis, currently 6 drops/day), and an extra tablet of folinic acid/day (inspired by the videos of Eric Levinson). Vit C I take just 3 times/week, but will probably stop when my current stocks are used up. Vit K2 MK4, I take half a 5mg tablet 3 times/week, which gives me approx 1mg/day. I have now found a 1mg K2 MK4 supplement which I plan to use in future. Used to take K2 MK7, but don't any more. I have taken vit D for years, but my current dosage of D and K2 is inspired by Chris Masterjohn's video on vit A toxicity. I don't take vit E these days though. I seem to remember you saying that your hair analysis doesn't show iodine- does it show boron? I read somewhere that vit A toxicity depletes boron, and it certainly does for me. I take 3 x 3mg capsules of boron daily, and on my latest hair analysis that gives me a value of 1.2 ppm, against a reference value of 0.4 - 3.0 .
Quote from wavygravygadzooks on September 10, 2021, 11:17 amI was attempting something like that, but the problem is that I also have bowel motility issues. Seems likely to be related to my vagus nerve, and since the motility issues primarily happened after I reintroduced white rice, I thought I would try adding a thiamine supplement back in (Elliot Overton has written about a connection between thiamine, the vagus nerve, and motility problems). However, thiamine seemed to worsen my gum problems (especially TTFD), and didn't completely resolve the motility problems. But now that I figured out supplementing zinc helps my gums out, I'm back to toying with thiamine.
I also now suspect that I am deficient in copper and/or ceruloplasmin, and supplementing with a zinc-copper combo seems to be even better than just zinc alone. It sounds like dry skin can be associated with copper deficiency, and I certainly have some other symptoms that could be from copper deficiency (thread veins, low energy, dysbiosis). And being on a muscle meat-centered diet for over a year seems like it might cause a zinc:copper imbalance or uptake problem.
I hate taking supplements and wish I could have a steady supply of heart meat for copper and eat more fat instead of rice to help my thiamine levels...
@wavygravygadzooks, yes I take copper citrate as well, but I'm half afraid to tell about here after all the condemnation I have had about the amount of zinc I take... 🙂 🙂
Hi @alastair thanks for your useful reply. I’m looking at B vitamin deficiencies (and others) so your input is valued. I’m doing a low dose complex too. I’ve been listening to Dr Gominak’s work. Although she doesn’t know about vA toxicity she has some useful things to say about repair needing B vitamins (hopefully we are repairing on the vA detox!) and B vitamin imbalances affecting the microbiome. All interesting stuff.
The vitamin D supplement question is something I sit on the fence on, although I don’t personally supplement anymore. I suspect once vA toxicity has gone there won’t be a vitamin D problem anymore, however, while recovering maybe it’s useful for some. I don’t know. I would be cautious though.
Boron is something I would be very cautious about. Once I stopped supplementing vitamin D my boron reappeared on hair tests without supplementation. An extremely knowledgeable U.K. NT called Margaret Moss describes boron as toxic. She says it depletes B2 (which from Tim’s research we know is in high demand while detoxing vA). She not only doesn’t recommend supplements, she recommends avoiding high boron foods. Margaret is highly intelligent and I listen to everything she says (she is the only U.K. person talking about vA toxicity), however, anybody can be wrong on anything. If she’s right I’d hate to see you removing one toxin and adding another.
Today I was doing another enema with vinegar and I had another white candida thread coming out. And I thought, what if it steals your minerals and from there all these symptoms of deficiency of zink, copper, potassium (?), etc. If you eat a starch, for example rice, and a lot of meat with antibiotics... And if you add more vitamins, minerals, it will definitely grow. It loves it, especially B1 and B12. The combination of vitamin A toxicity and mineral deficiency is not good.
In any case, I have some completely stupid thoughts spinning in my head, I am a generator of stupid ideas today (and always have been) and you can absolutely not listen to me. If you need stupid ideas, you can contact me.