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Tinnitus, dry eyes, and nightmares
First of: I didn't say anything about who can and can not commit suicide, that is something personal. Though in my mind any suicide points towards a huge societal failure.
As everyone know death is final for everyone, no one lives forever. A potenial average life span might be around 80 years which I think is why it instinctively feels worse if a young child dies. On the other side of the spectrum very old people have lived out most of their potential life and I think they have earned their right for euthanatia if deciding for it while they are mentally stable.
@jiri , I don't understand what you are upset about but I don't know what I could do about it.
Please also don't assume I haven't had any personal experiences with suicides. Since you haven't looked into the abyss yourself and been able to back out of it, I think you should thread more lightly around this subject of suicide and euthanatia.
Once again I had nightmares. I think it's related to eating animal fats and retinol being released, although I have no proof.
Any kind of pain, toxicity and sleep deprivation is like muting your heart and mind, making you dumb and emotionally disconnected.
Well said man. Thank you. Well said. I am going to use that.
I think you have gone way off-topic but I had something that is perhaps not too off-topic that I wanted to share before I stop responding to your incredibly rude and un-cooperative comments.
I am a big fan of karma, that good deeds/actions matter, and I don't really see how helping someone commit suicide could be seen as a positive in most cases regarding karma. Rather I would think killing someone is generally bad karma and I think the direct opposite would be to save someone's life. Perhaps you should speak to people who have actually saved lives and hear what they think of euthanatia.
Have you yourself tried to save someone's life and succeded?
-Perhaps someone like you that seem at bit too interested in euthanasia (assisted suicide) should start out there. Start out focusing on life, anything joyful and delightful, instead of death.
PS. On the topic of karma I think the intention behind doing a good deed is just as important as the success of that good deed.
PSS. For a very light and funny take on karma I would recommend this old comedy TV-show: "My Name is Earl" (2005-2009).
Quote from Ourania on September 9, 2023, 12:05 pmYes, this is happening to us too. It is the contrary of autism.
Enjoy!
yes exactly
everything I do is so much easier and more coordinated. it is so much easier to read faces and body language. I am much quicker to laugh and it does not bother me to hear my own near as much. it is so much easier to quietly listen and let people finish their thoughts regardless how well I know what they will say.
so I think we all slide up and down the spectrum directly correlated to how polluted our liver is making us.
Quote from Ourania on September 9, 2023, 8:38 pmWe found anger is the first step. The Ancient Greeks said it was due to "black bile", one of the four biles, stocked in the liver.
The second step is a kind of desertification. Lots of people disappeared from our life, died off, never answered our mails. It seems the only reason they were in our life was because there was enough vA around to make their memory stick to us.
The third step is what you describe, a new outlook on others, budding new friendships, feeling related to others. New things/relationships happening.
The fourth step is your desires are coming true. Success, effortless, just a manifestation that you are right. This is happening to us more and more. In sharp contrast to a long previous period of problems, health and otherwise. The period when we were poisoning ourselves.
It is a bit tiring, because the results, positive as they are, require a lot of management. For example, I am starting to see more and more. This is a huge joy!!! But at the same time I notice now how everything is old and dirty, I thought I was cleaning my kitchen, and I see it is horrible! And I just don't have the strength to clean it properly at the moment, all the strength has gone into eye repair.
There most probably is a fifth step, but I don’t know yet what it is…
Of course, these steps are not really separate, they overlap, and also every squirt of vA detox brings them back in order for a short time.
And the desire to commit suicide too, this is a vA thing, it does not really come from us, it is like being possessed by something else. Starve that devil, it will retreat.
spot on
well said
thank you
Quote from Jiří on September 12, 2023, 1:41 am@david "Suicide is never the result of the own soul's thoughts."
It can be. If you are for example in really really bad situation with your health for example.. It is common sense that if you suffer a lot and you know it can be only worse lets say if you are in end stage of cancer or some dementia, ALS, MS whatever. You know that only death will bring you peace.. For cases like that there should be available professional assisted suicide.. I have huge respect for people who didn't have that option in place where they live so they took it into their hands. Good example of that was Robin Williams. He knew that he will end up out of his mind from that dementia in some facility pissing himself. So he did what he had to do to not end up like that.. But that is the only scenario where I agree with suicide. But still who am I to say someone who has some really bad case of depression for example that he should just deal with it of seek help. I had some mild depression my whole life and I can't still even imagine how bad it must be to have depression like people who had everything from nice family, a lot of friends, money, fame etc. like for example Chester Bennington from Linkin Park and still ended up killing themselves.. People without mental issues like that will never ever understand their pain..
These comments are stated as facts about subjects which you can not ever know the facts. Bennington's death when further researched was almost certainly not suicide. And yes the same applies to Kurt Cobain and Jimmy Hendrix. Robin Williams is suspect and there is far less published about his situation. The little I have gathered is that he was far gone with drug induced parkinsons and dementia. Not sure of my opinion on that one. Hanging oneself from a doorknob with a belt is a difficult to believe scenario though. This is all speculation. That is my point. So are all decisions we make about our futures.
No it can not be from inside yourself because you can not ever KNOW what your future holds so absolutely that you can decide death is better than that future. I have hospiced 3 in the last 5 years and fully respected and still respect their decisions. Two decided to die and one was too far demented to understand the concept until at the very end during her last few breaths. It is the height of arrogance to pretend to KNOW your future so well that you self fulfill your own failure.
Please understand and believe me that I am fully aware and experienced in these feelings. I have had horrific acute symptoms that lasted months on more than one occasion in the last 40 years. I do not use pain killers. Scratch that. So far I have avoided pain killers and intend to avoid them further. Not that my pain was not serious nor that I am so tough that I refuse. I was raised by a nurse married to a pharma salesman. Drugs do not work on me as for most. Not any more at least.
Last year during my worst vA toxicity pain, my wife brought me gummies. I tried one. She got relief as I quieted down. I could tell I still hurt but stopped caring. Reminded me of demerol but less pleasant. I also lost what little vestibular power I had left. I was already struggling to not fall using my walker. One gummy had me tipping all over. What terrified me worst was the prospect that I would sleep that half sleep and wake up still drunk and dizzy with the pain ramped back up. That is exactly what happened. Perhaps it is the pain I worked through in 2023, 1993, 1994 and 2003 with cachexia, constant cramps, kidney stones, gall stones, sciatica, gout, sacroiliitis,......
Or more likely it is the fact that I learned that while in the worst of that pain, when I feel most certain that I will never live without that pain, I hold on to the idea that I might be wrong. And so far, everytime, I have been wrong. I can not know for sure. So far everything I have seen indicates that everything and everyone passes. Including pain and suffering. Deciding to give up is taking powers and responsibilities that are reserved for higher powers. I can understand how, when and why others make this decision. I can respect that it is their decision. I can also respectfully state that I feel it is a fear based choice and a breach of faith.
As stated before. We need you here. All of us need all of you. I may not be omniscient enough to know this. I have enough faith to believe this. If you need science instead of faith I suggest you test this idea from a perspective that I am right until proven wrong. Please keep on.
Quote from David on September 12, 2023, 2:00 pmThere are usually some exemptions to absolute statements, like never and always.
The comment that the user Kivan made, was a direct attempt to stop someone from continuing their suicide planning. Using an absolute term like never I think is justified in that specific case. You can read the whole thread with a translation site/program if you like. Here is a link to the original Flashback forum thread in Swedish:
https://www.flashback.org/t1340835p4
Deciding for what suicide is "acceptable" for I think is meaningless, and I don't think it is always as easy as a right or wrong decision. The only wrong with it is that it is terminal, life-ending and it will affect lots of other people around you as have been mentioned previously by someone else in this thread.
Regarding suicide or euthanatia (assisted suicide) I think that it maybe should be optional over a certain high age as long as they are mentally stable or have made those decisions known before any illness. Making a terminal decision with an unstable mind just sounds like a horrible idea.
What do you think about an old spouse committing suicide after as their long-time partner falls deeper and deeper into a nasty brain disease?
I still think the quote in my previous comment is well-rounded and includes this sentence:
"Have you thought all the thoughts that you can think, is your soul empty, finished?"
Perhaps the original quote could have included something about how to view soul-crushing experiences and how someone will need some type of help to get out of that hole they are in. Afterwards they need to build a secure fence around that hole to avoid slipping into that hole again.
Thank you. well said. 1000% agree.
For what it is worth, while I feel strongly that we need to prevail and not give up (read my other comments on this post please) I do feel strongly about respecting others' decisions. I can not make their decisions for them. And oddly or not, I feel as strongly about prevailing through any and all pain and suffering as I feel about protecting my rights and ability to remove myself from any and all situtations as I see fit. I will and have argued with others that the decision needs to be left to higher power regardless of levels of suffering and horrific outlooks. I have not and will not argue for someone to give up living. If they decide to ride out onto an iceberg, I will not stop them. Nor would I let someone stop me or take away my ability to get out on that iceberg.
I feel it is much easier to make a good decision when my free will is preserved and I know it is my decision to make.
please look at my other posts here. I agree that the decision is on each individual and only on them. Whether or not we agree we need to respect it. Assisting them is a whole different matter. Knowing whether or not they suffered is not possible.
Institutionalizing the process is inherently evil. Set aside the morality and ethics issues. Consider only the vulnerability to corrupt individuals exploiting such systems. It is already happening in MAID. Count on it. Hospice nurses deal and have been dealing with this issue since forever. Whether or not a hospice nurse assists a suicide is something only that nurse and her patient will ever know. Unless the nurse wants someone else to know.
Making this a medical protocol changes the whole idea inherently. Already in Canada, I have heard recorded conversations between patients and hospital administrators where an unwilling and poverty stricken patient is being coerced into accepting MAID because a treatment he wanted was withheld by the administrator. The patient was given the option to get the procedure from private health care providers or to use MAID. The patient recorded the conversation because he did not want to be coerced into suicide. To think that this will not happen progressively more often when the practice is institutionalized is naive. Consider all the iatrogenic deaths these last 3 years.
Midazolam is a drug used in prisoner executions for the sake of all that is good. How can it be that patients in covid care were prescribed this drug without informed consent and died at horrific rates without some evil profiteering motives behind it?