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The relationship between Vitamin A, Copper, Ceruloplasmin and Thyroid
@alexm and how much T3 is there for 35 dollars? Can I micro dose it like 5mcg like with a tablet when I cut it? Also where it says that there is T3 in it? Lol how can I know what and how much is in the product when there is zero info on his website about it or is there something that I miss?
edit- oh I see it is on Ray Peat forum. It would be great if they can ship into my country and customs will not have a problem with it.
So for 35 dollars 360 drops and each drop has 8 mcg of T3. So if I would take even 5 drops a day that is one bottle for 72 days. Wow that's great for only 35 dollars. Will see what they tell me about delivery into Czech Republic.. I think I would take the mix of T4 and T3 + some T3.. Btw what is expiration date on your bottle?
Anyway I will do another blood test for thyroid. I will try rest as much as possible and will be eating more food before the test on the weekend. If the TSH is high again I will try contact my endo after 4 years of not going there. Hopefully she will be ok and will give me T4 and T3 prescription. If not and she will give me only T4 I would take it, but I would try T3 from idealabs as well..
@alexm how you take that T3 from idealabs? I think I will try it, but I am not sure what is ideal dose and timing.. I asked them if they ship into CZ and they said
"Yes, we can ship to Czech republic. The regular mail works best, even though it is a bit slower than the express option (DHL) because the regular mail almost never gets inspected by customs while DHL almost always gets inspected and delayed."
Quote from Jiří on June 10, 2023, 3:44 am@alexm how you take that T3 from idealabs? I think I will try it, but I am not sure what is ideal dose and timing.. I asked them if they ship into CZ and they said
"Yes, we can ship to Czech republic. The regular mail works best, even though it is a bit slower than the express option (DHL) because the regular mail almost never gets inspected by customs while DHL almost always gets inspected and delayed."
I just put the drop into my mouth then swallow it, but I also tried it in water and wasn’t as good as putting directly in mouth.
Also I would try just T3 on its own first then have the NDT or T4 on hand to take when needed.
I also started mega Sporebiotic again yesterday and it seems to synergise with the T3 and microdose methylene blue extremely well. Now I am feeling insanely good and relaxed outside in the sun when before I wasn’t feeling like this. I think because I had mold, pathogens inhibiting my VDR (Vit D) receptor and now the Sporebiotic is addressing this and working much better than the last time I tried it months ago because I’m using T3 and methylene blue this time with it
Quote from Jiří on June 10, 2023, 6:07 am@alexm so you use only 8mcg daily? Some people say taking just small dose T3 is a bad idea, because even this small amount of T3 will lower your TSH a lot so your own T4 production will go down a lot so you end up hypothyroid even more..
No I was using 8mcg once every few days as it that’s all my body was asking for and I was detoxing a lot of things with increased bile output. I didn’t become more hypothyroid.
Anyway I have stopped it now as I don’t really need it tbh, and I don’t think hormones are safe now long term, it’s just like a patch.
I will follow TEIs chelation/mineral balancing programme properly as this actually attempts to correct and change the issues with the underlying biochemistry in the body. Where as other programmes do not do this and just patch things usually. Their slow oxidiser supplement does contain 2kiu of Vit A but if you follow their suggestions then you have all the nutrients to use and detox it properly. And this definitely does increase thyroid function for me more naturally and detoxes me at the same time.
Just make sure you’re not in fast oxidation or in four lows. I wasn’t in either of these so it was fine for me to take.
https://drlwilson.com/Articles/THYROID.htm
WARNING #1. Taking thyroid replacement hormones is very dangerous when fast oxidation is present.
If a hair mineral analysis reveals a fast oxidation rate, taking replacement thyroid hormones can cause serious health problems, or even death.
The reason is that the hormones speed up the oxidation rate even more, throwing the person’s body even more out of balance.
One may ask, why would blood tests indicate a low thyroid condition if a person is in a fast oxidation state? The answer is that in fast oxidation, the cell walls are more permeable. This may cause a more rapid uptake of thyroid hormone into the cells. As a result, the serum T3 and T4 may actually be a little low. This can cause a doctor to prescribe thyroid replacement hormones, even though this is not what the person needs.
Anyone who is taking thyroid hormones whose hair mineral analysis reveals a fast oxidation rate should seriously reconsider taking these hormones.
WARNING #2. Thyroid replacement hormones or thyroid supplements are very harmful if a four lows pattern is present
PLEASE do not take thyroid replacement hormones, thyroid glandular nutritional products, or any products that enhance thyroid activity if a hair mineral analysis reveals a four lows mineral pattern. Any of these will worsen the four lo
@alexm yes balancing minerals, detoxing toxins is the way to go for sure. But in my case it seems like I have damaged thyroid due to hashimoto. I am probably celiac who was eating gluten into my 20s. So there is a lot of damage to my thyroid that's why my TSH is always high and T4 somewhat low.. But maybe I am just really toxic in copper and other things. I just hope that T3 will help me metabolize all that extra copper that I have and increase bile flow, increase my body temperature so the immune system can start working and after some time on it hopefully the body will work much better.. I don't want to be on T3 forever.. But if my thyroid is really damaged I will have to go on T4 again. But this time hopefully my liver will be able to convert T4 to T3.. Unfortunately here in CZ we don't have blood tests for reverse T3. My rT3 was probably insanely high when I was taking T4 because I felt so bad on it. Much worse than now when I don't take anything and my TSH is 10 or more.. I am classic case of slow oxidizer high calcium, moderate magnesium, low sodium and low potassium.. I will start very low and will do testing before and after as well. If my cholesterol drops, ceruloplasmin increases on T3 I will know for sure that my metabolism started working again..
Btw for how long you were taking that 8mcg drop of T3?
@jiri yeah it should help with bile and copper metabolism, it massively increased bile for me and two other Vit A toxic people.
Let me know how it goes but it should definitely work with increasing metabolism and bile. I also did take NDT seperate to it at a different time of the day for the T4 balance.