Quote from Guest on January 31, 2019, 3:19 pm

That was somuch4food.

Quote from Guest on January 31, 2019, 3:32 pm

Hello,

You csn give livers to the dogs because you dont like it or because dogs are the most important thing you have in the arctic and you want them to be very healthy so you can survive too.

I have read Stephensson and while it is very interesting I think eskimos are very special people in a very special environment. That said, from what I personally saw in Groenland, they eat and like livers (and fermented fish).

In Fiji where I spent 2 months, they eat livers every day. They dont eat cows. They eat a lot of small fishes, small animals like mangoostens bats etc and from my observations and duscussions they prize liver above anything else. On the 50 fijian dollar bill the tribesman is giving a liver.

As far as I remember, I personally grew up eating liver at least once or twice a week snd butter almost every day. Eggs were also a staple since we had quite a lot of chickens (chicken liver pate ad well). If you think about cows of course it doesnt go but people eat many other animals and their organs not only beef...

Aborigines in Australia dont eat lean meat except when food is scarce. They eat lot of fat and organs. Masaai dronk milk every day with blood and the whole cow.

Basically, to go to the point, there ate people like me who ate lot of A all their life yet have absolutely no problem. So the question is why?

My liver isnt extra big as far as I know... I have always been very lean. I have never thought about A being toxic on the contrary I have eaten it very liberally. Yet no problem. Why? This is what I want to understand. Some people as I see it in my own life do respond drastically to low A diet yet I dont. Why?

I thought and thought and thought... and basically reviewed everything I read and experimented (gaps, paleo, weston, veganism, techniques such as Buteyko, Wim Hof, etc.). The only thing which could explain my situation the few tribed I've witnessed with my own eyes and the fact that A can be very toxic as well as the symptoms (osteoporosis, skin  etc ) make me conclude that K2 may be the key here. Once again  maybe I am completely wrong. But I do believe it is worth tedting for someone suffering from A foods.

In any case we can have a million messages debate the only thing which counts is the experience  the facts. So, if someone heres suffers as soon as he eats A rich foods, I propose he or she tries increasing K2 stores then tryjng the A rich foods again the reporting the result. This, for me at least, would be very interesting.

Hope you understand my point.

Best,

Dino

 

Quote from Guest on January 31, 2019, 3:43 pm

Quote from Guest on January 31, 2019, 2:33 pm

Just to add to the previous message: yes you find K2 in foods like eggs and liver but I meant K2 without A is hard to find.

Also, having traveled a lot, I have seen many tribes eating quite a lot of livers (consuming whole fishes all day long every day). Indeed, liver is their very preferred food. So there is something else here. Of course, they don't get accutane vaccines etc. What I want to point here is that they don't get autoimmune problems etc. yet eat a lot of A. Some organs which they eat and we don't contain quite a lot of A. By the way, during my childhood, my parents loaded me with liver, butter and sardines among other foods which they derived basically from a "Weston Price" type diet yet I have never suffered any problem. But I always ate/drank quite a lot of fermented foods and drinks typical from the region I come (Balkan region) with the fermented wheat water a staple in my drinks. So, all in all, depleting the A is a very important part of the equation for people suffering from it, then something else must be done. K2?

The other difference between those in North America and much of the rest of the world is the use of glyphosate which Dr. Smith has written alot about making vitamin A more toxic.

Quote from Guest on January 31, 2019, 3:47 pm

Dino, When I’ve taken K over the past 5 years it’s been primarily MK-4 whether in a combination fat soluble formula or on it’s own. I think I used one bottle of life extension super K which is a blend of K1, MK-7 and MK-4 but otherwise it’s been MK-4. I always paid attention to getting plenty of fat soluble vitamins from diet and supplements but nothing helped turn my health around like going low A has over the last 7 months. Good luck with your investigations. Bella

Quote from DWL on January 31, 2019, 7:13 pm

I supplemented with a product called Koncentrated K for a year or so (25 mg MK-4, 0.5 mg MK-7, 5 mg K1).  I was taking no other fat solvable vitamins.  There was no noticeable improvement in my health problems.  I've been on a very, very low Vitamin A diet for 6.5 months.  Numerous symptoms are completely gone, some are diminished and a few (the earliest onset) have shown slight improvement.  

I've  tried numerous diets and treatments with none giving the remarkable results I've had thus far on low Vitamin A.   

Once my Vitamin A level is rock bottom, supplementing with K2 might give better results than it did previously.  

 

Quote from Guest on January 31, 2019, 11:00 pm

Thank you for your answers it is very interesting. Maybe the K2 in supplements doesnt work like the real K2 in foods or it may be something else (maybe even some unknown factor or nutrient). As I have written I have witnessed the "miraculous" effects of going low A on a few people around me so basically applying Grant's idea literally saves their lives and it was almost overnight. Yet somehow the whole thing doesnt apply for some people. Maybe thd K2 maybe yhe glyphosate maybe its something else...

If you do try the K2 experiment please do it after you have already depleted your A and ideally do it through fermented foods to get the real thing as once again maybe the supplemental K2 has nothing to do with the real vitamin (business vs Nature you know...). Anyway you on this forum are doing what "science" shoud do but dont which is open minded testing.

For those interested I have witnessed great reliefs for some people using Wim Hof and/or Buteyko methods especially Buteyko for asthma and "brain toxicity". Maybe the breathing protects against A by stenghtening the vessels oxygenating thd body balancing the pH etc. I dont know. I practice "zen" and various breathing methods/cold adaptation methods since a long time and have not been poisoned by aluminum etc. as far as I know (I did tests in my tissues) so this is maybe the "trick". Also I never took any supplemental A only the real through foods...

Whatever it is thank you for sharing and I am sure we will find. For those who test the K2 especially through foods pleae report it here afterwards. Thanks.

Best,

Dino

Quote from Guest on February 1, 2019, 1:50 pm

I spent time today reviewing the many medical analyses I've done on family members and myself to try to understand whether there is ONE difference I could isolate between me and them. K2 I have never tested and the tests are not truthful. One thing which I knew at the time but basically forgot (I've tested so much that I do forget a few things...) now explains much things.

At the time of these tests (a few years ago), the ONE difference between the two members who respond to low A and the others who have no problem, especially me, is that they have (or at least had) high levels of aluminum in their tissues while I have none (undetectable levels). Other toxic metals apparently were all at low or undetectable levels.

Of course, the aluminum in them comes basically from vaccines as they developed symptoms after vaccinations (I was lucky that in my small village in the Balkans I received only one vaccine in total and it was an oral polio, which would explain my "zero" levels of aluminum). Another difference is that they were low in zinc while I am not (aluminum and zinc are competitors from what I remember). Calcium and iron were also dangerously low while other minerals didn't seem to be out of normal ranges.

Which would also explain to me why kids with autism do heal with DMPS chelation protocol (12-18 months) without any diets.

So maybe the whole thing summarizes to aluminum poisoning which makes the A very toxic. I have no aluminum so I am "protected" in some way (maybe due to the zinc or other minerals which are not present in those who are poisoned by aluminum)? Or maybe this aluminum simply impairs liver functioning which cannot handle the A anymore?

If this is true, then depleting the A will effectively shut down the symptoms but will not effect a complete cure. To effect the cure, one has to remove the aluminum from the tissues as well. Maybe then the A would not cause any problems? This would go perfectly with Grant's chapter on vaccines but the fact then is that this aluminum has to be removed for the cure to happen.

Greetings & good night from the Swiss Alps,

Dino

 

 

Quote from Guest on February 2, 2019, 5:12 am

My health problems got worse after I read the "calcium paradox" and started eating brie daily to get my vitamin k fix.

Quote from Guest on February 2, 2019, 10:21 am

Concerning reply by guest (reply number 10).

I just read again a part of Stephensson where he talks about liver. In "The fat of the land", at page 33, he states the following:

"The liver of caribou and moose is eaten by the family

occasionally; that of mountain sheep frequently, and that of

 

the seal nearly always, for it is the favored part."

This is in perfect alignment with what I personally know from my Groenland's experience.

It is only the liver of polar bear that they usually throw to the dogs (for whatever reason they do it).

 

It is of great interest to note that if you go on cron-o-meter and put the nutritional value of 1,5kg of beef sirloin, you get almost no vitamin A, and almost 100% of vitamins E and K2. Which goes in alignment to what I stated before. People eating nothing but beef actually balance, overtime, their liposolubles by depleting their A&D while increasing drastically their E&K2.

Answer number 19 by guest: As already written before, I don't doubt it, because you had at the same time lots of vit A. But what would happen if you eat lots of K2 WITHOUT the A? Not through supplements but through diet? Apparently, some people do it by eating only beef or only bison or only wild game etc. and they do very very well reversing all their symptoms and basically reversing their autoimmunity. So the more I am looking at it since reading Grant's books, the more I do believe that the A in itself is not the biggest problem. The problem may come when you get too much A AND at the same time you deplete yourK2 (and apparently get too much of Aluminum within your tissues). Whether it is the excess of aluminum or the lack of K2 or another thing which causes the A to behave as a great toxin, I don't know. But either would explain why people like me have no problem after a lifelong consumption of A-rich foods. Eskimos have lots of A yet no problems with it. Me too. Grant and a few people here stop eating the A for long periods yet cannot eat it again unless their symptoms come back. So the A in itself (and liver filling) CANNOT be the root problem, NO WAY. There must be something else which makes that A (or excess A) very problematic for some, not for others.

What I propose here to summarize all my previous blogs is this: A becomes toxic when you have depleted your K2 and have your tissues filled with aluminum. To reverse the state, you need to deplete the A, increase the K2, and get the aluminum out of you.

Greetings,

Dino