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Wahl's talking vitamin A
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tim on March 4, 2021, 10:41 am
@lil-chick
It could well be. Do you ever consume rare steak or steak tartare? If so, does that help too?
@lil-chick
It could well be. Do you ever consume rare steak or steak tartare? If so, does that help too?
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lil chick on March 4, 2021, 10:49 am
Not all liver has the same amount of poison in it.
Nutrition charts are averages (or worse) when it comes to what nutrients are in a food (or poisons as the case may be).
I found this picture online. I do NOT agree with how they are labeled. However, the person doing it might not have been a chicken farmer.
All old chickens livers look like the left one. When I have eaten one of my old hens, even though they are pastured their entire lives, they still like the far left, not the far right.
You get the far right ones on the day when you get rid of half the flock (you only need one rooster) at a few months old.
Not all liver has the same amount of poison in it.
Nutrition charts are averages (or worse) when it comes to what nutrients are in a food (or poisons as the case may be).
I found this picture online. I do NOT agree with how they are labeled. However, the person doing it might not have been a chicken farmer.
All old chickens livers look like the left one. When I have eaten one of my old hens, even though they are pastured their entire lives, they still like the far left, not the far right.
You get the far right ones on the day when you get rid of half the flock (you only need one rooster) at a few months old.
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Rich on March 4, 2021, 10:57 am
Super interesting @lil-chick thanks for the b12 video
Super interesting @lil-chick thanks for the b12 video
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Ourania on March 4, 2021, 10:58 am
@tim-2 I do eat raw minced beef 100g for breakfast together with some rice and beans and salt and a drop of olive oil. I found that I get more energy when it is raw, rather than cooked. At lunch I get cooked meat.
This is my best meal of the day, I never tire of it.
For this I buy organic beef, which I mince, then freeze at -25 C in 100g packs. I think the freezing kills some germs if there are any, and I hope it does not destroy too much of the good things in it.
@tim-2 I do eat raw minced beef 100g for breakfast together with some rice and beans and salt and a drop of olive oil. I found that I get more energy when it is raw, rather than cooked. At lunch I get cooked meat.
This is my best meal of the day, I never tire of it.
For this I buy organic beef, which I mince, then freeze at -25 C in 100g packs. I think the freezing kills some germs if there are any, and I hope it does not destroy too much of the good things in it.
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tim on March 4, 2021, 11:20 am
@ourania
I've never really relished raw meat but I think I'm going to make an effort to eat some regularly. When it's organic and you mince it yourself I bet it tastes better too. It's also high in P5P, the active form of B6 which is destroyed by heat. So called B6 toxicity is a misnomer because it's actually a deficiency of P5P which occurs when the precursor builds up and isn't converted.
@ourania
I've never really relished raw meat but I think I'm going to make an effort to eat some regularly. When it's organic and you mince it yourself I bet it tastes better too. It's also high in P5P, the active form of B6 which is destroyed by heat. So called B6 toxicity is a misnomer because it's actually a deficiency of P5P which occurs when the precursor builds up and isn't converted.
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tim on March 5, 2021, 6:24 am
Interesting study...
Prevention of retinoic acid-induced early craniofacial abnormalities by vitamin B12 in mice
Conclusions: These results suggest that vitamin B12 may prevent RA-induced craniofacial abnormalities via prevention of an RA-induced decrease of ET-1 and dHAND protein levels in the branchial region during the organogenic period. This study may shed new light on preventing craniofacial abnormalities.
Interesting study...
Prevention of retinoic acid-induced early craniofacial abnormalities by vitamin B12 in mice
Conclusions: These results suggest that vitamin B12 may prevent RA-induced craniofacial abnormalities via prevention of an RA-induced decrease of ET-1 and dHAND protein levels in the branchial region during the organogenic period. This study may shed new light on preventing craniofacial abnormalities.
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tim on March 5, 2021, 6:27 am
Decreased vitamin B12 and folic Acid concentrations in acne patients after isotretinoin therapy: a controlled study
Conclusion: Vitamin B12/folic acid treatment should be given under medical surveillance before and during isotretinoin therapy. Supplementation of these vitamins should be recommended in cases of their deficiency, so as to decrease the risks of neuropsychiatric and occlusive vascular diseases.
Decreased vitamin B12 and folic Acid concentrations in acne patients after isotretinoin therapy: a controlled study
Conclusion: Vitamin B12/folic acid treatment should be given under medical surveillance before and during isotretinoin therapy. Supplementation of these vitamins should be recommended in cases of their deficiency, so as to decrease the risks of neuropsychiatric and occlusive vascular diseases.
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lil chick on March 4, 2021, 10:49 am
Not all liver has the same amount of poison in it.
Nutrition charts are averages (or worse) when it comes to what nutrients are in a food (or poisons as the case may be).
I found this picture online. I do NOT agree with how they are labeled. However, the person doing it might not have been a chicken farmer.
All old chickens livers look like the left one. When I have eaten one of my old hens, even though they are pastured their entire lives, they still like the far left, not the far right.
You get the far right ones on the day when you get rid of half the flock (you only need one rooster) at a few months old.
You are right. I was eating all kinds of livers from factory farm to really high quality and you can't tell what is what.
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lil chick on March 4, 2021, 10:49 am
Not all liver has the same amount of poison in it.
Nutrition charts are averages (or worse) when it comes to what nutrients are in a food (or poisons as the case may be).
I found this picture online. I do NOT agree with how they are labeled. However, the person doing it might not have been a chicken farmer.
All old chickens livers look like the left one. When I have eaten one of my old hens, even though they are pastured their entire lives, they still like the far left, not the far right.
You get the far right ones on the day when you get rid of half the flock (you only need one rooster) at a few months old.
You are right. I was eating all kinds of livers from factory farm to really high quality and you can't tell what is what.
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lil chick on March 5, 2021, 9:51 am
Wow, @tim, I almost felt like crying with your two posts above. I really feel like this thread is onto something. I also now wonder about some of the posts I've made in which I've blamed VA overload for things, when maybe those things are better attributed to B12 deficiency.
Now, B12 deficiency can happen at any age (as the video shows) but I wonder if us "over 50's" here have some common complaints and common slowness or plateauness to our detox that is about this. It appears to me that the youngsters here often do overturn things faster.
I talk a lot about my grandmother because I think her lifestyle was low VA by tradition. She did eventually have some of these symptoms that are B12 deficiency symptoms. Nerve damage like mine in my arm. Weakness at the end of her life. Dizzyness. She was incredibly sharp but "lost it" in her last year. Irritability.
Wow, @tim, I almost felt like crying with your two posts above. I really feel like this thread is onto something. I also now wonder about some of the posts I've made in which I've blamed VA overload for things, when maybe those things are better attributed to B12 deficiency.
Now, B12 deficiency can happen at any age (as the video shows) but I wonder if us "over 50's" here have some common complaints and common slowness or plateauness to our detox that is about this. It appears to me that the youngsters here often do overturn things faster.
I talk a lot about my grandmother because I think her lifestyle was low VA by tradition. She did eventually have some of these symptoms that are B12 deficiency symptoms. Nerve damage like mine in my arm. Weakness at the end of her life. Dizzyness. She was incredibly sharp but "lost it" in her last year. Irritability.
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The cholesterol war on red meat has probably created even more B12 deficiencies. Beef is a much better source of it than other meats. That's also probably why eating salmon (also high in B12) for me is more beneficial than detrimental. I get some symptoms, but they quickly go away and I start to feel better.
Liver would probably be an interesting experience for someone like me that doesn't have an extreme vit A toxicity history, but more plant chemicals sensitivities. I'm doing other experimentations at the moment though, so it will have to wait.
The cholesterol war on red meat has probably created even more B12 deficiencies. Beef is a much better source of it than other meats. That's also probably why eating salmon (also high in B12) for me is more beneficial than detrimental. I get some symptoms, but they quickly go away and I start to feel better.
Liver would probably be an interesting experience for someone like me that doesn't have an extreme vit A toxicity history, but more plant chemicals sensitivities. I'm doing other experimentations at the moment though, so it will have to wait.
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