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Eggs as part of Vitamin A reduction
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Andrew B on January 24, 2023, 3:00 am
@jiri Yes, it's a good observation that small eggs have about 96 mgs of choline, medium have 100 mgs and large have 126 mgs. I think however it's as much about the high sphingomyelin in the eggs. Audrey did note that his liver area was better I think after a few weeks of the eggs. https://ggenereux.blog/discussion/topic/eggs-as-part-of-vitamin-a-reduction/?part=16#postid-20024
@jiri Yes, it's a good observation that small eggs have about 96 mgs of choline, medium have 100 mgs and large have 126 mgs. I think however it's as much about the high sphingomyelin in the eggs. Audrey did note that his liver area was better I think after a few weeks of the eggs. https://ggenereux.blog/discussion/topic/eggs-as-part-of-vitamin-a-reduction/?part=16#postid-20024
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Jiří on January 27, 2023, 1:28 am
So after 3 days of eating 5 small eggs for breakfast I need to stop this experiment again. It's hard to explain, but I(my blood circulation) feels sluggish. Like my blood is too thick or something. I had that same issue during eating Ray Peat diet when I was eating high cholesterol/sat. fat/fructose/calcium diet. It was so extreme that I couldn't even walk for 20 minutes. Simply my legs filled with blood, were red with bulging veins and I had to lay down with legs up.. Like I had some tourniquet on my legs that prevented blood flow.. It was something like POTS syndrome.. So I don't know for sure, but it looks like this cholesterol from eggs is too much for me and it just sits in the cardiovascular system.. I don't know If I would have that same effect from eating fatty red meat. I would have to eat at least 1000g of ground beef to get the same amount of cholesterol that is in like 4-5 medium eggs.. Also I always think about how fast this cholesterol goes into the system. Think about it when you eat lets say raw yolks. It's digested almost instantly and you get huge dose of cholesterol in the blood stream at once.. But if eat even 1000g of beef in one meal it will take hours and hours to digest and absorb that cholesterol into the blood.. So for someone like me it also could be a reason why I have issues with eggs.. So for now I will do just 20g of sunflower lecithin + what is in meat and will see..
So after 3 days of eating 5 small eggs for breakfast I need to stop this experiment again. It's hard to explain, but I(my blood circulation) feels sluggish. Like my blood is too thick or something. I had that same issue during eating Ray Peat diet when I was eating high cholesterol/sat. fat/fructose/calcium diet. It was so extreme that I couldn't even walk for 20 minutes. Simply my legs filled with blood, were red with bulging veins and I had to lay down with legs up.. Like I had some tourniquet on my legs that prevented blood flow.. It was something like POTS syndrome.. So I don't know for sure, but it looks like this cholesterol from eggs is too much for me and it just sits in the cardiovascular system.. I don't know If I would have that same effect from eating fatty red meat. I would have to eat at least 1000g of ground beef to get the same amount of cholesterol that is in like 4-5 medium eggs.. Also I always think about how fast this cholesterol goes into the system. Think about it when you eat lets say raw yolks. It's digested almost instantly and you get huge dose of cholesterol in the blood stream at once.. But if eat even 1000g of beef in one meal it will take hours and hours to digest and absorb that cholesterol into the blood.. So for someone like me it also could be a reason why I have issues with eggs.. So for now I will do just 20g of sunflower lecithin + what is in meat and will see..
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Ourania on January 27, 2023, 6:38 am
300g of scallops (white only) = 333 mg choline
300g of scallops (white only) = 333 mg choline
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Andrew B on January 27, 2023, 7:10 am
@ourania Shrimp has 219 mgs of betaine per 100 grams. I suspect scallops are high in betaine too.
@ourania Shrimp has 219 mgs of betaine per 100 grams. I suspect scallops are high in betaine too.
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Margo on January 27, 2023, 7:58 am
@ourania and @andrew-b I am of the opinion that scallops are not high in betaine. This summer, when I was having apparent serious methylation issues that only wheat bran and quinoa would fix, I tried scallops a few times, and they did nothing for me. I think the online statements that “shellfish” are high in betaine are extrapolations from the value in shrimp.
@ourania and @andrew-b I am of the opinion that scallops are not high in betaine. This summer, when I was having apparent serious methylation issues that only wheat bran and quinoa would fix, I tried scallops a few times, and they did nothing for me. I think the online statements that “shellfish” are high in betaine are extrapolations from the value in shrimp.
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Javier on January 27, 2023, 3:59 pm
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Jenny on November 5, 2022, 4:08 am
(not choline bitartrate)
Why not? I've been searching for a reason not to take choline bitartrate instead of eggs and didn't find it.
Thank you.
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Jenny on November 5, 2022, 4:08 am
(not choline bitartrate)
Why not? I've been searching for a reason not to take choline bitartrate instead of eggs and didn't find it.
Thank you.
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Andrew B on January 28, 2023, 2:14 am
@javier Choline bitartrate has the potential to raise TMAO levels. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8410632/
@javier Choline bitartrate has the potential to raise TMAO levels. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8410632/
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Andrew B on January 29, 2023, 4:29 am
Sphingomyelin in eggs and dairy. Studies indicate that SM may promote gut health by reducing intestinal cholesterol absorption in adults.
Sphingomyelin (SM) is a widely occurring sphingolipid that is a major plasma membrane constituent. Milk and dairy products are rich SM sources, and human milk has high SM content. Numerous studies have evaluated the roles of SM in maintaining cell membrane structure and cellular signal transduction. There has been a growing interest in exploring the role of dietary SM, especially from human milk, in imparting health benefits. This review focuses on recent publications regarding SM content in several dietary sources and dietary SM metabolism. SM digestion and absorption are slow and incomplete and mainly occur in the middle sections of the small intestine. This review also evaluates the effect of dietary SM on gut health and cognitive development. Studies indicate that SM may promote gut health by reducing intestinal cholesterol absorption in adults. However, there has been a lack of data supporting clinical trials. An association between milk SM and neural development is evident before childhood. Hence, additional studies and well-designed randomized controlled trials that incorporate dietary SM evaluation, SM metabolism, and its long-term functions on infants and children are required. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8970835/
Dietary sphingolipids lower plasma cholesterol and triacylgylcerol and prevent liver steatosis in APOE*3 mice. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16895877/
Dietary sphingomyelin lowers hepatic lipid levels and inhibits intestinal cholesterol absorption in high-fat-fed mice. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3567029/
Sphingomyelin in eggs and dairy. Studies indicate that SM may promote gut health by reducing intestinal cholesterol absorption in adults.
Sphingomyelin (SM) is a widely occurring sphingolipid that is a major plasma membrane constituent. Milk and dairy products are rich SM sources, and human milk has high SM content. Numerous studies have evaluated the roles of SM in maintaining cell membrane structure and cellular signal transduction. There has been a growing interest in exploring the role of dietary SM, especially from human milk, in imparting health benefits. This review focuses on recent publications regarding SM content in several dietary sources and dietary SM metabolism. SM digestion and absorption are slow and incomplete and mainly occur in the middle sections of the small intestine. This review also evaluates the effect of dietary SM on gut health and cognitive development. Studies indicate that SM may promote gut health by reducing intestinal cholesterol absorption in adults. However, there has been a lack of data supporting clinical trials. An association between milk SM and neural development is evident before childhood. Hence, additional studies and well-designed randomized controlled trials that incorporate dietary SM evaluation, SM metabolism, and its long-term functions on infants and children are required. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8970835/
Dietary sphingolipids lower plasma cholesterol and triacylgylcerol and prevent liver steatosis in APOE*3 mice. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16895877/
Dietary sphingomyelin lowers hepatic lipid levels and inhibits intestinal cholesterol absorption in high-fat-fed mice. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3567029/
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Jean on January 29, 2023, 9:22 am
@andrew-b, this week I ate 3 eggs with sourdough bread everyday for breakfast, and it really slows down my transit and suppresses my appetite. Not sure whether I should continue or reduce my egg consumption. Doesn't sit very well in my stomach for some reason.
@andrew-b, this week I ate 3 eggs with sourdough bread everyday for breakfast, and it really slows down my transit and suppresses my appetite. Not sure whether I should continue or reduce my egg consumption. Doesn't sit very well in my stomach for some reason.
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Andrew B on January 29, 2023, 9:40 am
@jean I advise people to start with one egg and so on. Some people will find them difficult to digest or have sulfur issues at first. I only had 1-2 eggs a day at first as they gave me slightly heavy feeling. After one year things improved and I could have increased the number then. Generally, they should improve bowel movements. They do however help you feel full or reduce cravings for more food. It does take a bit of time for improvements to show but if you are not tolerating them well then it may be worth eating something else like beef hearts or beef kidneys.
@jean I advise people to start with one egg and so on. Some people will find them difficult to digest or have sulfur issues at first. I only had 1-2 eggs a day at first as they gave me slightly heavy feeling. After one year things improved and I could have increased the number then. Generally, they should improve bowel movements. They do however help you feel full or reduce cravings for more food. It does take a bit of time for improvements to show but if you are not tolerating them well then it may be worth eating something else like beef hearts or beef kidneys.
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