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New protocol to fix iron/copper toxicity
Quote from lil chick on March 16, 2025, 10:39 amThose that are VA overloaded but feel they have metals issues, have you read "Breath" (Nestor) and implemented some better breathing ideas?
Also, perhaps give blood monthly (or as often as you can without upsetting your applecart). I had a long-lived grandfather who out-lived 3 wives who did that.
I completed “Breath” yesterday. At the end of the audio version , it was noted that instructional videos could be found at Nestor’s website (mrjamesnestor.com) under the “Breath” topic. I’ve not watched them, but plan to study them soon.
Thanks for the encouragement . lc! I agree, the book offers hope ; now for me to give better breathing a try! I think it will complement VA detoxing.
Every day, fewer people are commenting on the formula in the Peat forum. They've gone from 20 comments a day to one comment every two days.
Tried 4 doses of HG7. started much lower and working my way up to standard dosing, 1/2 dose now. Shortly after taking dose i have gotten some slight brainfog and center head headache. Using Sympton tracker intrepret that as pattern 3 and taken some extra EGCG & Molybdenum and it mostly disapeares.
Seem to be sleeping better, less insomnia. Waking up more rested.
See my detailed 3 month update here.
The most important thing is that after bloodwork, I noticed elevated ALT and BUN/creatinine, so my liver and kidneys might have stress from the protocol. Although I'm not sure, since I don't have bloodwork before starting, and I felt pretty bad before. But during month 2, I did have intense fatigue, and later on right side pains, so it's quite possible. These symptoms have since resolved after adjustments, but I can't be sure there's no damage, so I'll continue to monitor these markers and see what happens.
I'm prepared to stop the protocol if I feel things are getting worse, though I'm not sure I'm there yet. For example, my skin has recently cleared its yellowish and dark colorings, while the opposite is usually true for people with liver troubles and jaundice. We'll see how it goes...
Quote from Ivan on March 16, 2025, 8:40 amÉl sabe que casi muero. Coágulos, muchos coágulos, y no lo dice en ningún sitio... Tiene rasgos de narcisista; dice que no se lleva bien con nadie, que no tiene amigos ni buena relación con su familia... Creo que este hombre miente en todo. En el grupo, solo dos o tres personas mejoraron, y esas dos ya decían que habían vuelto a tener síntomas después de dos meses. O acaba con ese fraude o mata a alguien como casi me mata a mí... ahora tengo que tomar anticongelante el resto de mi vida por culpa del protocolo y de ese hombre.
Dice en lowtoxinforum que, tras leer tus publicaciones, no sabe quién eres. ¿Tienes pruebas de tu correspondencia con Heisenberg? ¿O puedes decirle a Heisenberg quién eres?
Yes for private
@ivan Where is the proof of your correspondence with Heisenberg then, because right now it seems like slander to people on the RP forum
@alexm " because right now it seems like slander to people on the RP forum"
Sadly it has nothing to do with Ray Peat anymore.. It is all based on some random dude who has bellow average knowledge on human biochemistry/physiology(which was really confirmed after I heard the interview with Elwin Robinson) That forum regressed to complete joke.. Will be funny or sad I should say to watch what they will push on that website in next couple of months..
The guy... talking to people on Twitter about politics... the creator of the formula... people ask him questions on Ray Peat's forum, and he sometimes takes a day to answer. And on Twitter, he's on all hours... this guy shows a lack of respect..
I wish I had Chat GPT like 10 years ago lol.. I was talking with him recently about what I always wondered which is when the body uses copper to make some enzyme for example what happens with that copper. Well nothing it will get recycled as soon as that enzyme use used up/destroyed.. With that in mind copper is not easily lost in urine, sweat or skin shedding. or semen loss like zinc is or like vit C or B vitamins are.. Copper is eliminated basically only trough bile and if there is any issue with bile flow copper builds up easily.. Finally now I have some peace in my head if I have or don't have high copper. It is clear that I have and now it is just about keeping intake under control and slowly adding stuff that supports adrenals and liver ability to make bile. But I can't push copper antagonists because all it does is just completely tanking my serum copper and that is ruining my body.. Before I realized this I was always pushing copper antagonists and/or burning my adrenals so I was getting nowhere just making my situation worse.. I wish I could to this Gh7 protocol, but with my health state I can't afford any big mistakes. So I will go just very slow and in a meantime follow what is happening with people doing it. It is really impressive that some people can take such insane amounts of copper antagonists without any visible signs of copper deficiency. That EGCG really has to do some miracle job.. Otherwise the creator of this protocol would be already dead from aneurysm or something..
@whatisaging can you ask the creator of the protocol why he is not considering lowering iron by donating blood at all? Isn't that more natural way to fix exactly what he wants to achieve? Lowering iron and than you can just take copper antagonists.. Btw manganese is also another micromineral that isrelated to iron, zinc and copper. Is he 100% sure that he is not causing disbalance there?
Quote from Jiří on May 5, 2025, 11:00 am@whatisaging can you ask the creator of the protocol why he is not considering lowering iron by donating blood at all? Isn't that more natural way to fix exactly what he wants to achieve? Lowering iron and than you can just take copper antagonists.. Btw manganese is also another micromineral that isrelated to iron, zinc and copper. Is he 100% sure that he is not causing disbalance there?
I haven't asked, but I think I read him talking about this somewhere, and his answer is that blood donation doesn't remove the iron stored tightly in the tissues.
I think he doesn't like taking manganese supplements since it messed him up badly at some point. His theory is that the protocol balances other minerals indirectly, as downstream effects of normalizing zinc and lowering iron and copper. I don't think he's sure about manganese, other than what he feels on a daily basis. Since he doesn't feel any abnormalities that can't be fixed or understood by his current framework, I don't think manganese is on his mind.
If you'd like the primary source for these things, I'd recommend setting up a twitter account and DMing him directly.
Regarding the iron storage theory, one guy on twitter, @tomusually, lowered his ferritin from 809 to 209 using blood donations, but after a few months on the protocol, the ferritin went up to 265, with other iron markers higher too. He has a long history of eating liver, and his theory is he released iron stores.
There is also a paper
Dysregulation of iron and copper homeostasis in nonalcoholic fatty liver
which notes that resistance to blood donations happens in NAFLD, see excerpt below. One explanation is that they have lower levels of copper, so it's harder to mobilize iron. Another is iron locked up in protein aggregates or hemosiderin, source here. Both can be connected to zinc (although not exclusively, of course), which might explain Tom's situation.
