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What is going on here
Today my breathing has been pretty great. This seems to be the cocktail that is working for me at the moment:
•Nebulized Glutathione
•Last night: BroccoMax: https://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-BroccoMax-Supports-Delayed/dp/B0013OVTM0/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2QRCVSZLMP6TN&keywords=sulphoraphane+supplement&qid=1562361814&s=gateway&sprefix=sulphor%2Caps%2C194&sr=8-4
I don't think any of these have vitamin A
Tar,
This is how I view 'detox' and what is going on in the body.
Read this link: http://chemocare.com/chemotherapy/drug-info/tretinoin.aspx
A lot of the side effects of this drug are similar to what people experience in detox. Note breathing problems is one of them. This tells me that 'detox' is the VA coming out and due to the way its metabolised, some (or all) of it is being converted to Retinoic Acid (ATRA) which is the same being on low dose chemo therapy or Accutane. You are essentially experiencing the side effects of being on Accutane or chemo.
The link above actually advises to stay away from the sun as it makes it worse. It made it worse for me and seems like you would be better off holding off on sun baking for a while.
Quote from jobo on July 5, 2019, 6:32 pmTar,
This is how I view 'detox' and what is going on in the body.
Read this link: http://chemocare.com/chemotherapy/drug-info/tretinoin.aspx
A lot of the side effects of this drug are similar to what people experience in detox. Note breathing problems is one of them. This tells me that 'detox' is the VA coming out and due to the way its metabolised, some (or all) of it is being converted to Retinoic Acid (ATRA) which is the same being on low dose chemo therapy or Accutane. You are essentially experiencing the side effects of being on Accutane or chemo.
The link above actually advises to stay away from the sun as it makes it worse. It made it worse for me and seems like you would be better off holding off on sun baking for a while.
Interesting.
I am getting hints that basically, once you take vitamin A in large doses, getting it out can be a hassle, maybe impossible except for long long long term restriction.
Check this out: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3655980/?i=2&from=hypervitaminosis%20a%20sibling
Higher levels persist after 3 years...
3 years? How is that even possible.
By the way when I tested VA levels they came back very average
Quote from Ronnie on July 7, 2019, 3:20 pm3 years? How is that even possible.
By the way when I tested VA levels they came back very average
It is possible when the "severe restriction of vitamin A intake" isn't actually severe and his parents who killed his sibling with VA are still giving him a lot of high VA foods/supplements.
If he had been on a 3 year low VA diet I can't see how serum VA would be high unless a. very little VA was being eliminated from the body via bile and b. the body kept serum VA high despite the liver not being in a condition of total saturation. Seems unlikely unless his parents were food faddists and he was on some bizarre diet (very low fat for example).
This is just a case report and is very unreliable. It is unknown what the source of VA intoxication was for sure, it is unknown if he is still exposed to the source of intoxication and it is unknown if the sister was exposed to the same degree to the source of intoxication. If it was liver she could have easily been pretending to eat it or just not eating it etc. When I was a kid lambs liver was the only food I was tempted to pretend to eat. It was so disgusting. I had never had thoughts about hiding food etc before.
I eat pretty low fat cuts of meat
My diet is very low fat high carbs medium protein
Quote from tar on July 7, 2019, 1:31 pmQuote from jobo on July 5, 2019, 6:32 pmTar,
This is how I view 'detox' and what is going on in the body.
Read this link: http://chemocare.com/chemotherapy/drug-info/tretinoin.aspx
A lot of the side effects of this drug are similar to what people experience in detox. Note breathing problems is one of them. This tells me that 'detox' is the VA coming out and due to the way its metabolised, some (or all) of it is being converted to Retinoic Acid (ATRA) which is the same being on low dose chemo therapy or Accutane. You are essentially experiencing the side effects of being on Accutane or chemo.
The link above actually advises to stay away from the sun as it makes it worse. It made it worse for me and seems like you would be better off holding off on sun baking for a while.
Interesting.
I am getting hints that basically, once you take vitamin A in large doses, getting it out can be a hassle, maybe impossible except for long long long term restriction.
Check this out: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3655980/?i=2&from=hypervitaminosis%20a%20sibling
Higher levels persist after 3 years...
Impossible is a little pessimistic, his liver VA levels were at least 100 times higher than normal so its not strange that he would be detoxing for a very long time, but eventually VA restriction will get your body VA stores down.
What I find interesting is there are so many cases where VA mobilisation and associated detox symptoms seem to increase several months after starting VA restriction. Like in this oft cited case study of a guy with VA-induced cirrhosis whose serum VA levels did not reach a peak until 10 weeks after stopping VA supplementation.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7198069
Personally I experienced reduced bloating and easier breathing around 2-4 weeks of VA restriction, but now between week 5-7 I'm again having increased bloating, shortness of breath, and weird edemas in different places that come and go, its funny how VA detox proceeds.
Quote from collden on July 8, 2019, 12:59 amPersonally I experienced reduced bloating and easier breathing around 2-4 weeks of VA restriction, but now between week 5-7 I'm again having increased bloating, shortness of breath, and weird edemas in different places that come and go, its funny how VA detox proceeds.
I am officially at 8 months today. Months 4/5/6 seem to been the worst for me with respect to excretion symptoms so far. Feels like I hit a tipping point and may be in downhill part now, see how the next few months go.
I don't find that study (of the little boys who ate liver spread) hard to believe at all-- in fact I think it corroborates with what Grant has been saying. This is going to be a long haul. Also I feel for the parents who were probably not as well informed back then (it is challenging!) about WHAT foods were actually low in vitamin A!
A smart idea would be an entertainment thread to keep us all distracted from our cares... I literally have started covering mirrors in my house (because my face is so volatile right now)! Voltaire: "The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the disease".
Quote from Orion on July 8, 2019, 5:04 amQuote from collden on July 8, 2019, 12:59 amPersonally I experienced reduced bloating and easier breathing around 2-4 weeks of VA restriction, but now between week 5-7 I'm again having increased bloating, shortness of breath, and weird edemas in different places that come and go, its funny how VA detox proceeds.
I am officially at 8 months today. Months 4/5/6 seem to been the worst for me with respect to excretion symptoms so far. Feels like I hit a tipping point and may be in downhill part now, see how the next few months go.
Good to hear Orion, I'm at month 5 yesterday and still excreting my old friend A, looking forward to parting ways with him.